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      02-14-2009, 10:14 AM   #23
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Damn you BMW!! you didn't give me EXACTLY what I was expecting. Thus, I hate you now. I myself am a MUCH better authority than your engineers as to how much power can safely be pulled from the N54. Your employees are morons. Here is my email address: internetgenius@lotsapower.com .

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      02-14-2009, 10:36 AM   #24
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Damn you BMW!! you didn't give me EXACTLY what I was expecting. Thus, I hate you now. I myself am a MUCH better authority than your engineers as to how much power can safely be pulled from the N54. Your employees are morons. Here is my email address: internetgenius@lotsapower.com .

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      02-14-2009, 11:15 AM   #26
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agreed!
+1 and -1.

If the aftermarket has shown anything with the numbers (and decent reliability) they have produced: BMW has made this tune to profit from a profitable market segment. To me it seems like they care about profits more than pleasing the enthusiasts with this tune. In reality, it is probably a combination of wanting to profit, not infringe on the M3's space, maintain reliability, and recoup engineering costs that led to the product we see today.

I will wait for numbers and reviews on the upgraded hardware before I decide...but either way, if I don't like it, I won't complain...rather I will go to the vast aftermarket of products available.
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      02-14-2009, 11:34 AM   #27
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Even though some/all of the critisism may be premature, doesn't mean it can't be helpful. We know 100% for sure BMW looks at these forums and if this "market" is unimpressed with 20-25 horses for X number of dollars they may adjust the price or output accordingly.

If they don't, they obviously will make fewer sales, let the market vote first with their words and then with their wallets. It might be ugly, but this is free enterprise at it's best right here.

And I agree, I don't know if I would even bother with 25hp unless it was only $200 bucks. After all it will only be a flash and the economies of scale with software is HUGE. As some have said the R&D is already basically done with other applications already in place.

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      02-14-2009, 11:42 AM   #28
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Even though some/all of the critisism may be premature, doesn't mean it can't be helpful. We know 100% for sure BMW looks at these forums and if this "market" is unimpressed with 20-25 horses for X number of dollars they may adjust the price or output accordingly.

If they don't, they obviously will make fewer sales, let the market vote first with their words and then with their wallets. It might be ugly, but this is free enterprise at it's best right here.

And I agree, I don't know if I would even bother with 25hp unless it was only $200 bucks. After all it will only be a flash and the economies of scale with software is HUGE. As some have said the R&D is already basically done with other applications already in place.
They might actually offer it for reasonable price because it would be pure profit and very little warranty liability.

Some of you guys forget bmw engineers don't have the last say in what comes to market. BMW refuses to offer lsd's for any non-M car (not even as an option) to protect the value of M cars. They'll most likely limit hp of 135i software for similar non-engineering reason.
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      02-14-2009, 11:44 AM   #29
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It is amazing to me how many are evaluating this with no facts whatsoever. Don't know the price, but ass-u-me it will be outrageous. Don't know the performance, but ass-u-me it will be poor. Don't know much of anything, but more than willing to spout off. How about waiting for a few facts before judging. Really makes you wonder about other opinions expressed here. Prejudice is the act of prejudging.

rcracer_tx got it right!
"no facts whatsoever" Did you read the facts stated in the original post?
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      02-14-2009, 11:54 AM   #30
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They might actually offer it for reasonable price because it would be pure profit and very little warranty liability.

Some of you guys forget bmw engineers don't have the last say in what comes to market. BMW refuses to offer lsd's for any non-M car (not even as an option) to protect the value of M cars. They'll most likely limit hp of 135i software for similar non-engineering reason.
By far the most insightful post here. It would be marketing suicide for BMW to allow a $36k 135i coupe with a flash ($1-2k?) to equal or exceed the performance of a $58k M3 coupe. Same reason there will likely never be an "M1".
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      02-14-2009, 12:02 PM   #31
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"no facts whatsoever" Did you read the facts stated in the original post?
What you have there are marketing numbers, and there is no reference to cost. BMW is known for under-rating, and the performance claims do not match the hp claims. And BMW's performance claims are always very conservative.

So if marketing hype = facts, then yes you do have a few. But what about actual gains? What about the "area under the curve"? (All that is listed is peak values.) What about independently tested performance gains? We know none of that.

So, I withdraw "no facts whatsoever" and I apologize. What I should have said was "insufficient and unconfirmed information from a pre-production press release". That OK?


(I also want to point out that I already have my tune and am happy with it. I have no interest in defending or purchasing this "package". It is just a matter of basing opinions on fact rather that speculation, but then that's no fun, is it?)
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      02-14-2009, 12:11 PM   #32
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FWIW (and to do my own baseless speculating), 326 hp is the claim for the 740i. This would appear to simply be an upgrade to the specs of the 740i version of the N54.

But then I'm just guessing.
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      02-14-2009, 01:09 PM   #33
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It is amazing to me how many are evaluating this with no facts whatsoever. Don't know the price, but ass-u-me it will be outrageous. Don't know the performance, but ass-u-me it will be poor. Don't know much of anything, but more than willing to spout off. How about waiting for a few facts before judging. Really makes you wonder about other opinions expressed here. Prejudice is the act of prejudging.

rcracer_tx got it right!
EDIT: rcracer_tx removed his post above with a cute lil' baby saying "This Thread Sucks" (Guess he was afraid he might hurt somebody's fragile feelings?) so now this makes no sense. But he did have it right at one time.
I TOTALLY agree. Such haters man. BMW is indeed known for underrating. If anybody thinks this is a ploy, then they need to wake up. If BMW states it shaves .2 sec off then it does at least that.
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      02-14-2009, 01:26 PM   #34
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I don't think that many of those on this site will be going for the BMW tune.
I am however interested in the alleged performance intake for the n54. Although power increases might not be huge, maybe we can get a nice intake growl and some throttle response increases from something we don't have to pull out for every service...
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      02-14-2009, 01:52 PM   #35
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I don't think that many of those on this site will be going for the BMW tune.
I am however interested in the alleged performance intake for the n54. Although power increases might not be huge, maybe we can get a nice intake growl and some throttle response increases from something we don't have to pull out for every service...
i leave my intake on for service...?? they didn't have a problem with it...
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      02-14-2009, 02:03 PM   #36
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It is amazing to me how many are evaluating this with no facts whatsoever. Don't know the price, but ass-u-me it will be outrageous. Don't know the performance, but ass-u-me it will be poor. Don't know much of anything, but more than willing to spout off. How about waiting for a few facts before judging. Really makes you wonder about other opinions expressed here. Prejudice is the act of prejudging.

rcracer_tx got it right!
EDIT: rcracer_tx removed his post above with a cute lil' baby saying "This Thread Sucks" (Guess he was afraid he might hurt somebody's fragile feelings?) so now this makes no sense. But he did have it right at one time.
I didn't delete it, the mods did I guess

The problem some have brought up is that our cars already make 315-320 bhp, making the gains laughable. If BMW came out with a 326whp tune, that would be decent, but otherwise it will suck...
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      02-14-2009, 04:04 PM   #37
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I didn't delete it, the mods did I guess

The problem some have brought up is that our cars already make 315-320 bhp, making the gains laughable. If BMW came out with a 326whp tune, that would be decent, but otherwise it will suck...
My apologies, and I mean it! The mods around here seemingly just delete posts and threads they don't agree with or that they find to be critical of them. (They've done it to me.) No way your post was offensive (hate that word) to anyone.

<Now let's see how long it takes for them to delete this one...>
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      02-14-2009, 04:09 PM   #38
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Just to stop some confusion that has grown on me : this will be an aftermarket kit part of the BMW performance accessories line up. 135i and 335i will still put out 306 PS as conservatively claimed by BMW ?
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      02-14-2009, 04:21 PM   #39
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FWIW (and to do my own baseless speculating), 326 hp is the claim for the 740i. This would appear to simply be an upgrade to the specs of the 740i version of the N54.

But then I'm just guessing.

That sounds like a very good guess to me. The N54 in the 7 series is all the same hardware-just a little bit different software. They already have the software written, so why not sell it to the people with the smaller cars?
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      02-14-2009, 04:24 PM   #40
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Just to stop some confusion that has grown on me : this will be an aftermarket kit part of the BMW performance accessories line up. 135i and 335i will still put out 306 PS as conservatively claimed by BMW ?
That's my understanding, but kind of hard to tell from the babelfish translation.
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      02-14-2009, 05:09 PM   #41
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I was thinking the same..
Hopefully 2010 models will have new N54 standard and those who feel robbed with older models can upgrade at somewhat reasonable cost..
I really hope 2010 335 Coupe and 135 coupe will get new N54.. N54G60 I think is the full name..
Those who afraid 1 series stepping on M3/M5, BMW already hinted it's going away from current engines and going to Turbo for M... I can see M3 with 4.4TTv8 (400hp/450torque).. and similar engine in M5/M6, just bored out to 5.0 liters maybe or more aggressive tune..



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7-speed DCT? 326HP?
is this post about a "kit" really a software mod?
aren't they talking about the next release of the N54 engine? Why would they only increase the power by 26 HP??

I thought I read some time ago that the N54 successor will have 326 HP.

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      02-14-2009, 05:13 PM   #42
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i dont think bmw will offer a piece of sh1t.

all the performance parts were what you expect them to be.

loud exhaust, real carbon, thight seats...

you will defanatly feel the gain, instead it would be useless...
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I TOTALLY agree. Such haters man. BMW is indeed known for underrating. If anybody thinks this is a ploy, then they need to wake up. If BMW states it shaves .2 sec off then it does at least that.
Maybe the gains from this performance package aree larger than stated
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      02-14-2009, 07:42 PM   #44
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I read over on e90post rumors of it costing Euro 2000!!!! also, as for the conservative numbers I see it this way- our cars are what 300 stock, 306 in europe, but dynos show more like 315-320, so this may be rated by bmw at 326, but it's likely more like 330-340, so with exhaust, the new 35 intake (at least for the 335) and this, probably a solid 350 crank hp
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