M2: would you prefer manual transmission or DCT ?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by lem144

Manual or NO SALE. I'll take the bus.

+1 Manual.

Save the DCT for the M135 owners. it would also be ok to provide both manual and DCT, however I wouldnt take a DCT at all.. ... as Robert M said...even with a hefty discount.

Look at the resale pricing of cars with automatics like the E36 M3 and the E46 M3 in the US. they are parked on used lots for months and have much lower resale value than the 5/6 speed variants.

[ZIPNBYE]

Let's hope it to be the case. Ultimately, it'll be CO2 emissions that decide. If, as Porsche found out on the 991 911 GT3, you can't be all-things to all-people. Market desires really have no bearing anymore...so the proof will be in the pudding.

To me, it matters not one bit, as the f30 is a big, bloated mess, and I'll remain quite happy with my 1M.

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by ZIPNBYE

To me, it matters not one bit, as the f30 is a big, bloated mess, and I'll remain quite happy with my 1M.

Really? Owning both a 1M and a F30 328i I can tell you with certitude that the F30 is one hell of a chassis and one hell of a platform for the M Division to start with.

I have no plans to trade my 1M for an M3/M4 but not because I don't think that they won't be worthy. On the contrary, I think that they are going to be very highly regarded. It just so happens that my 1M "satisfies" my sport car needs very nicely indeed

[ZIPNBYE]

Seems BMW took note.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/futur...l-transmission

[Pete_vB]

Manual for me. I don't think I'd buy an M2 if a manual wasn't available, but I'd be happy to see a DCT offered alongside it for those that prefer that.

[lakylester]

If there is a market, there will be a product.

Lets hope bmw is going to be the one to reach out to this market.

[BimmerMat135]

Probably a manual one I wish BMW will have completed the development of their 7 speed manual gearbox by the time the M2 will hit the market. DCT could be an option too. If the bring a 7 speed manual with rev matching and launch feature there is 100% chances that I will be going for it. If they bring back the exact 6 speed from the 1M without adding any new technology on it chances to go for manual may drop to 70%

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by EIN M

Really? Owning both a 1M and a F30 328i I can tell you with certitude that the F30 is one hell of a chassis and one hell of a platform for the M Division to start with.

I have no plans to trade my 1M for an M3/M4 but not because I don't think that they won't be worthy. On the contrary, I think that they are going to be very highly regarded. It just so happens that my 1M "satisfies" my sport car needs very nicely indeed

Agree! Every chassis iteration has has better performance than the previous generation, bloated or otherwise. An e90 is enormously bloated compared to an e30...and clearly can be hustled around a track much faster ( albeit with a little less driver satisfaction).

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Look at the resale pricing of cars with automatics like the E36 M3 and the E46 M3 in the US. They are parked on used lots for months and have much lower resale value than the 5/6 speed variants.

+1

I had both the E46 M3 manual and E46 M3 SMGII. Between those cars, I absolutely preferred the manual. I liked the SMGII tranny but never loved it. That said, I do know that the DCT is definitely smoother than the peculiar SMGII tranny. Apples and oranges. Reading in the car press that the 1M would feature a manual tranny tipped the balance for me for getting one.

[Klepper1]

For me, it's a manual transmission or nothing. I like to drive my cars, not just ride in them. I do think they should offer the DCT though for those that want that option. Different strokes for different folks!

[JasonCSU]

I would like to see both a manual and a DCT offered to give people a choice. My choice would be for the manual.

[Pete_vB]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Probably a manual one I wish BMW will have completed the development of their 7 speed manual gearbox by the time the M2 will hit the market. DCT could be an option too. If the bring a 7 speed manual with rev matching and launch feature there is 100% chances that I will be going for it. If they bring back the exact 6 speed from the 1M without adding any new technology on it chances to go for manual may drop to 70%

Disagree strongly on the 7 speed. The seven speed manual in the Porsche Carrera was voted one of the worst gearboxes of all time by EVO magazine. The seven speed in the new Corvette includes not one by two overdrives that do nothing for performance and only improve fuel economy. For a car with a torque band as wide as the 1M adding a seventh gear won't help performance in nearly any case; any improvement in in-gear acceleration is canceled out by additional shifting, not to mention the extra weight the 7th ratio brings. 7 speeds sound impressive and improves highway economy, but unless you've got the shift speed of a DCT you're better of with 6 proper ratios from a performance perspective.

[ozinaldo]

Originally Posted by Pete_vB

Disagree strongly on the 7 speed. The seven speed manual in the Porsche Carrera was voted one of the worst gearboxes of all time by EVO magazine. The seven speed in the new Corvette includes not one by two overdrives that do nothing for performance and only improve fuel economy. For a car with a torque band as wide as the 1M adding a seventh gear won't help performance in nearly any case; any improvement in in-gear acceleration is canceled out by additional shifting, not to mention the extra weight the 7th ratio brings. 7 speeds sound impressive and improves highway economy, but unless you've got the shift speed of a DCT you're better of with 6 proper ratios from a performance perspective.

+1. I rarely use the 6th already, other than occasional scientific experiments and to give the ratio some life Maybe happened 10 times or less that I used the 6th since I've bought the car. Pretty satisfied with first 5 speeds including highway cruises.

But then I also don't use the cruise control.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by Pete_vB

Disagree strongly on the 7 speed. The seven speed manual in the Porsche Carrera was voted one of the worst gearboxes of all time by EVO magazine. The seven speed in the new Corvette includes not one by two overdrives that do nothing for performance and only improve fuel economy. For a car with a torque band as wide as the 1M adding a seventh gear won't help performance in nearly any case; any improvement in in-gear acceleration is canceled out by additional shifting, not to mention the extra weight the 7th ratio brings. 7 speeds sound impressive and improves highway economy, but unless you've got the shift speed of a DCT you're better of with 6 proper ratios from a performance perspective.

Your right about the time that the fact that the shifting time could kill most of the gearing advantage. The 7 speed by Porsche is hated because of the high risks of misshift. BMW was developping a 7 speed with a special fluid that would block certain gear avoiding most of the misshift. The extra weight shouldn`t be that bad I would say. That 7th speed could be use to drop the rpm on long highway run. The 1M rev around 2400rpm at 75mph if we could lower it around 1800-2000rpm with a 7th gear that could be usefull. That was my point. A rev match feature as well as a launch control feature would be welcome on the M2 as well.