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Add me to the list. My E85 Z4 had electric steering and the feeling is good by most car standards, but numb compared to What BMW has done with hydraulic. In doubt? Test drive one....very different feedback and less 'predictable' feel.
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Also, F1 has nothing to do with driving feel or street driving. Just because they use engines that have lives measured in hours doesn't mean you should too.
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Considering that F1 V8s idle where our engines redline...im going to agree with you
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I don't know, Mr. Argument-pants, I was just driving an F-30 loaner in day-to-day mode as 99% of drivers do, and it felt fine. Take it FWIW.
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If by "yes" you mean F1 uses electric power steering, then you clearly didn't read the F1 rules or my post above yours
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Lol I know f1 doesn't use electric power steering. I was just trying to reinforce a point that even F1 accepts and rejects all sorts of new technology. F1 is also known for rejecting some tech after having embraced it. Which was the analogy I was trying to draw. Sorry I wasn't more clear. |
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No complaints with my EPS on the 125i coupe. Yes it is less heavy than my E90 but not in a bad way. Still very predictable and nothing like EPS cars I've driven in the past like Toyota and Mazda.
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Yup, I've done so as well. Interior is very nice, exterior is decent, steering was completely feelingless though accurate, and the engine was ok.
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I dropped-off a 2013 328 loaner yesterday and I was impressed with everything on the car except for 3 things...engine noise (nothing beats that inline 6 music), auto shut-off and the very numb EPS.
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Exactly.
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You can setup a feedback loop with an electric motor though...
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The variable sport steering (EPS+) option on the F30 does a much better job than the standard electric steering...very firm at speed but light as a feather when parking. There is still a slight lack of feedback compared to hydraulic but it is not bad at all. The base F30 steering firms up in sport mode, but really lacks feedback. Unfortunately, all loaner vehicles just have the base EPS.
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I've spent some seat time in the F30 both 335i and 328i sport, and the steering is OK, of course feedback has decreased dramatically but it still remains direct and accurate. Of course the steering in E82 is better and provides way more feedback. Last week i drove my moms car(2012 Focus) and when i hopped back in the 1er the tight and nice feedback of the steering just wooed me all over again. Sometimes you don't know what you have til you lose it.
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