BMW 1-series Tii concept coupe revealed!!! The next ///M1?

blacknbean · 10-23-2007, 08:02 PM

id still take the 135 and just swap the seats, spoiler and maybe side skirts with this concept and be satisfied .the added carbon fiber is all DIY and really wouldnt save much weight...if/when this comes out im sure the cost would be substantially higher than the 135 which would be the deal breaker for me

sirploppy · 10-23-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ster

Badass how? Because of a carbon fiber hood, better seats, and some aero bits? I'm still not seeing what's so great about this car. No work done to the suspension, engine, or brakes. Lots of fluffy parts that, aside from shaving a little weight, do jack shit to increase performance. It doesn't look half bad with those M wheels, but how is this car that special? I'm not "getting" it guys, sorry.

I agree it would be nice to have hard specs on suspension and engine. But never underestimate the perfomance gains of removing weight. I would do that first to a track car before adding any power. BMW is throwing this out there to get reaction. We need to make it clear, we want a PERFORMANCE version. The regular 135 seems well suited for a daily driver, but give us something uncomprimising and raw. A true BMW Motorsport version.

bradford · 10-23-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sirploppy

never underestimate the perfomance gains of removing weight. I would do that first to a track car before adding any power. BMW is throwing this out there to get reaction. We need to make it clear, we want a PERFMORMANCE version. The regular 135 seems well suited for a daily driver, but give us something uncomprimising and raw. A true BMW Motorsport version.

Weights savings is great, but you're not going to get it by replacing existing plastic parts with Carbon Fiber, like spoilers and mirror caps. You get it by replacing STEEL with Carbon Fiber.

The hood replacement is great, we're really only talking about a savings of 30-40 pounds there. To make a meaningful difference they'd have to do the fenders and trunklid as well, and of course, the most important part - the roof, in order to lower the center of gravity.

Then of course they should use more Aluminum in the suspension componentry, reduce the amount of asphalt based noise dampening appliques to the body, go with lightweight seats, etc, etc.

dna550 · 10-23-2007, 08:27 PM

The cross-drilled brakes could be the Brembos and are a performance upgrade.

The seats would save pounds. The rear seat probably weighs less and the arm rests are missing too.

The floor covering would appear to offer more weight savings.

Driv3r · 10-23-2007, 08:30 PM

What are some of you guys saying about this car?? i am in love with it and would do anything for it...even if its the 135 engine, what i wouldnt do it pay anything over 35-37K for it....We should not get less and PAY more IMO

fventura · 10-23-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bradford

Weights savings is great, but you're not going to get it by replacing existing plastic parts with Carbon Fiber, like spoilers and mirror caps. You get it by replacing STEEL with Carbon Fiber.

The hood replacement is great, we're really only talking about a savings of 30-40 pounds there. To make a meaningful difference they'd have to do the fenders and trunklid as well, and of course, the most important part - the roof, in order to lower the center of gravity.

Then of course they should use more Aluminum in the suspension componentry, reduce the amount of asphalt based noise dampening appliques to the body, go with lightweight seats, etc, etc.

...also no Sunroof, that should be enough without adding the cost of CF roof.
May be lighter wheels as well.

....but a twin turbo 4cyl, or the 3.0 aspirated 6 developing at least 270 would be good too. ( isn't the non turbo inline 6 about 150 lighter ? )

OK, seats, hood, no sun roof, wheels, more lightweight materials in the rear of the car ( with a lighter engine) would save a little over 100 lbs,
add a motor that is 150lbs lighter, and it becomes almost 300 lighter than a regular 135 !

it would be nice !!

brakefade · 10-23-2007, 08:50 PM

Love it! It had better come with a real LSD. And personally...I want the new dual clutch sequential gearbox too.

Build it BMW and I will buy it.

Tijuana · 10-23-2007, 09:05 PM

I just have to ask... how much weight do the carbon fiber reinforced plastic mirror caps save? If its more than 5 pounds, sign me up!

BForbes · 10-23-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by brakefade

Love it! It had better come with a real LSD. And personally...I want the new dual clutch sequential gearbox too.

Build it BMW and I will buy it.

Another s2000 driver? I'm guessing Negcamber!

mikeo · 10-23-2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sirploppy

I agree it would be nice to have hard specs on suspension and engine. But never underestimate the perfomance gains of removing weight. I would do that first to a track car before adding any power. BMW is throwing this out there to get reaction. We need to make it clear, we want a PERFORMANCE version. The regular 135 seems well suited for a daily driver, but give us something uncomprimising and raw. A true BMW Motorsport version.

We can't say it enough.

dna550 · 10-23-2007, 09:25 PM

bradford · 10-23-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by StupidGermans!

I'm sorry, those pics are Pshopped. I am waiting for an official BMW press release before I believe this.

Although I REALLY want to believe it now!!!

LOL.

That is all.

dna550 · 10-23-2007, 09:31 PM

imported_StupidGermans! · 10-23-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bradford

LOL.

That is all.

Cute, ok, explain to me the matte black finish on the hood if it is CF. Explain the smudges on the shift boot if it is real (look for pic). Explain to me why BMW would have the instrument cluster in opposing colors. Look at the lower side bolsters on the seats and tell me why those are NOT bmw typical.

Ok, that is all.

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kamakazitp · 10-23-2007, 09:52 PM

no sunroof.

I'm sold.

mikey · 10-23-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by StupidGermans!

Cute, ok, explain to me the matte black finish on the hood if it is CF. Explain the smudges on the shift boot if it is real (look for pic). Explain to me why BMW would have the instrument cluster in opposing colors. Look at the lower side bolsters on the seats and tell me why those are NOT bmw typical.

Ok, that is all.

Dude...did you read any of the information posted?

The finish of the carbon fibre is matte in order to cut down on any glare that might interfere and blind the driver (same reason for the alcantara dash and "tii" windshield banner). The tachometer is white because it is the most critical gauge to keep an eye on when on the track (the speedometer, not so much, so it's still black). I'm not sure what you mean about the smudges in the shift boot? And of course the seat bolsters are going to look different...it's not like the seats themselves are typical BMW, nor are they found in any current BMW.

Everything about this car is completely badass. If there are updates under the hood that reflect all these new parts (and if the electronic LSD/power steering get canned) and the suspension is stiffer....sign me up.

TejasBIMMER · 10-23-2007, 10:19 PM

I WANT TO ORDER ONE NOW!

darknightohio · 10-23-2007, 10:32 PM

Wow this car looks great, I can't wait for the 1-series to be released!!! The 1er looks great in white.

FrencgBoy · 10-23-2007, 10:35 PM

dan550, thanks much for the hi-res photos. I noticed the line sketch drawings is not quite the same as the photos. They seem to be missing some of the extravagant pieces from the concept.

Could that be a rendition of an actual performance package? I would take mine without the stripes but otherwise, sign me up!

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