High Pressure Fuel Pump on the N54

All4One · 07-29-2008, 07:30 PM

Who has a Fuel Pump Problem, how many of us? Thanks in advance for being forthcoming. This is one way we can assess the heaviness of our problem. Maybe we can collect the data and let BMW know that it is prevalent and they have to step up or fork up. Remember the golden rule....critical mass is a must! The costco method, the aaa etc.

TunedM2C · 07-29-2008, 07:34 PM

< Long crank here.

atr_hugo · 07-29-2008, 07:43 PM

I've added a poll to track the number of folks that have had HPFP failure and those that have had an early symptom of a failure, elongated (hard) starting.

Folks - you only need to answer the poll if you've had one of the two issues in the poll. If you had hard starting and then had the fuel pump replaced - check fuel pump. If you've had hard starting but haven't had the pump replaced click elongated starting. If you've had neither - you're lucky. ; -)

All4One · 07-29-2008, 07:50 PM

Thanks buddy for giving a clearer guideline, hope we can see a silver lining on this issue.

Ghostbear · 07-30-2008, 06:54 AM

Would it not be fair to also list everyone who had no problems.

atr_hugo · 07-30-2008, 07:24 AM

I thought about that (you'd have to add the caveat "list everyone who had no problems - yet" ; -) - but not sure it would tell us a lot.

We really don't know how many 135i owners we have viewing this out of the total population nor do we know how many people on this forum with 135is will even respond.

I did think about this though - "How many have had HPFP failures and also have 'tunes'." ; -)

professor · 07-30-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by atr_hugo

I did think about this though - "How many have had HPFP failures and also have 'tunes'." ; -)

I did not know there is a suspected correlation between the incidence of HPFP failure and tunes.

atr_hugo · 07-30-2008, 08:39 AM

Browsing the other threads in this forum pertaining to HPFP issues, it suggested itself. (But I don't want to add that as an option - the implications are disagreeable. ; -)

stefan · 07-30-2008, 08:50 AM

Getting 4-5 second cranks here. I'm getting a diagnostic done next week, I'll keep you guys posted on the results. Though I'm banking on the techs being lazy and saying it's nothing serious.

SF_VR6 · 07-30-2008, 09:37 AM

you need to add "never had a problem" to your poll.

Your poll insinuates that every owner has this problem. :smile:

PA135i · 07-30-2008, 11:27 AM

No problem here, but I'm only at 800 miles. Does the problem show up early.. or after 1,500 miles or so.

coco_m3 · 07-30-2008, 11:34 AM

long crank, laggy.

Riss Racing · 07-30-2008, 11:38 AM

I've had long cranks since purchase on my 335i. One of my techs already has his FP replaced a few times. I personally know of at least 15 335is with this issue. Not counting the people I've seen on the forum.

Papethova · 07-30-2008, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SF_135i

you need to add "never had a problem" to your poll.

Your poll insinuates that every owner has this problem. :smile:

So then you vote never had a problem and then next week you develop one. What do you do? Re-vote with a problem? That skews the results.

You cant include both sides in a poll when there is a potential to eventually go from one variable to the other.

My135 · 07-30-2008, 12:23 PM

You have to count those who had no fuel pump problem before this poll make sense.

Peakrunner · 07-30-2008, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuned1

< Long crank here.

The chicks must dig that! :biggrin:

TunedM2C · 07-30-2008, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthony@rissracing

I've had long cranks since purchase on my 335i. One of my techs already has his FP replaced a few times. I personally know of at least 15 335is with this issue. Not counting the people I've seen on the forum.

How many miles have you put on since you noticed it?

TunedM2C · 07-30-2008, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peakrunner

The chicks must dig that! :biggrin:

Indeed they do. They keep coming back for seconds & thirds!

All4One · 07-30-2008, 04:36 PM

Just a backgrounder for you guys who may want to contribute....it was started by Carlitos SS.. bimmertech was also on this thread and a lot of other good guys, it has a lot of good insights! let us not look at the poll as a big drawback on how good our 135 is...hell it really is good overall, I even have a chance to cancel right now but i wont. Let us dwell on the information that we can derive and learn from the data. BMW is a corporation and in as much as they probably do want to solve this, business practices can get shun over profits. It happens...to all car manufacturers. Who knows..we the consumers are the one's at fault due to our practices...low octane? or mixtures on our fuel? or it can be a wide array of things, the more we should seek answers. This is the true test for our maturity, its just not the fun of driving it, we should be able to go down on our knees and look under the chassis...just an allegory...
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1004

Esmallstii · 07-31-2008, 07:12 AM

Prolonged starts.

I got mine back after 2 days @ the dealer, and they said they "tweeked" the software, but could find nothing wrong w/ the fuel pump, and it was starting normally for them every time.
Guess what? Next AM,..it took about 4-5 seconds to start. Seems to only do it when it's been sitting overnight. Car just turned 1500 miles,..have not gone into limp mode yet.
Made appointment for next week after a lengthy discussion w/ the service guy. Even e-mailed him the service bulletins that BimmerTech had posted.
Also asked him to "Pre-Order" the fuel Pump so I dont have to wait for it to come in. They said BMW will not allow them to do that until they verify the part numbers on the current pump.
Told him about all the other 1Addicts members who have been having the same issue. Lets see if they can fix it this time.

Steve135i · 07-31-2008, 04:07 PM

This makes me sick. Ultimate shop Queen.

wu2x · 07-31-2008, 04:12 PM

Thanks for your valuable insight as always, Steve135i.

View Poll Results: Have you had a fuel pump failure or a potential symptom?
High Pressure Fuel Pump Failure	19	35.19%
Elongated Starting	35	64.81%
Voters: 54. You may not vote on this poll

07-29-2008, 07:30 PM	#1
All4One Second Lieutenant 3 Rep 241 Posts Drives: 135icp Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0)	High Pressure Fuel Pump on the N54 Who has a Fuel Pump Problem, how many of us? Thanks in advance for being forthcoming. This is one way we can assess the heaviness of our problem. Maybe we can collect the data and let BMW know that it is prevalent and they have to step up or fork up. Remember the golden rule....critical mass is a must! The costco method, the aaa etc. __________________ Monaco to Monaco:roundel:
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07-29-2008, 07:34 PM	#2
TunedM2C Brigadier General 828 Rep 4,190 Posts Drives: 2016 LBB M2 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Earth iTrader: (2)	< Long crank here.
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07-29-2008, 07:43 PM	#3
atr_hugo No longer moderate 325 Rep 4,401 Posts Drives: '13 135i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: - iTrader: (0)	I've added a poll to track the number of folks that have had HPFP failure and those that have had an early symptom of a failure, elongated (hard) starting. Folks - you only need to answer the poll if you've had one of the two issues in the poll. If you had hard starting and then had the fuel pump replaced - check fuel pump. If you've had hard starting but haven't had the pump replaced click elongated starting. If you've had neither - you're lucky. ; -)
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07-29-2008, 07:50 PM	#4
All4One Second Lieutenant 3 Rep 241 Posts Drives: 135icp Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0)	Thanks buddy for giving a clearer guideline, hope we can see a silver lining on this issue. __________________ Monaco to Monaco:roundel:
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07-30-2008, 06:54 AM	#5
Ghostbear Private 8 Rep 89 Posts Drives: 135is 09 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany iTrader: (0)	Would it not be fair to also list everyone who had no problems.
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07-30-2008, 07:24 AM	#6
atr_hugo No longer moderate 325 Rep 4,401 Posts Drives: '13 135i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: - iTrader: (0)	I thought about that (you'd have to add the caveat "list everyone who had no problems - yet" ; -) - but not sure it would tell us a lot. We really don't know how many 135i owners we have viewing this out of the total population nor do we know how many people on this forum with 135is will even respond. I did think about this though - "How many have had HPFP failures and also have 'tunes'." ; -)
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07-30-2008, 08:39 AM	#8
atr_hugo No longer moderate 325 Rep 4,401 Posts Drives: '13 135i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: - iTrader: (0)	Browsing the other threads in this forum pertaining to HPFP issues, it suggested itself. (But I don't want to add that as an option - the implications are disagreeable. ; -)
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07-30-2008, 08:50 AM	#9
stefan Brigadier General 2350 Rep 4,253 Posts Drives: M2 Comp Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North iTrader: (2)	Getting 4-5 second cranks here. I'm getting a diagnostic done next week, I'll keep you guys posted on the results. Though I'm banking on the techs being lazy and saying it's nothing serious. __________________ ///M Power
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07-30-2008, 09:37 AM	#10
SF_VR6 Lieutenant 125 Rep 404 Posts Drives: 16' X5 M-Sport / Space Gray Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 BMW 135i [0.00]	you need to add "never had a problem" to your poll. Your poll insinuates that every owner has this problem. :smile:
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07-30-2008, 11:27 AM	#11
PA135i Brigadier General 968 Rep 3,323 Posts Drives: 08 135i 08 CR-V Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pennsylvania iTrader: (0)	No problem here, but I'm only at 800 miles. Does the problem show up early.. or after 1,500 miles or so.
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07-30-2008, 11:34 AM	#12
coco_m3 Brigadier General 166 Rep 4,311 Posts Drives: Supercharged E90 M3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SL,UT iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 BMW M3 [0.00] 2010 BMW E90 335i [0.00]	long crank, laggy. __________________
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07-30-2008, 11:38 AM	#13
Riss Racing Banned 276 Rep 2,650 Posts Drives: E60 M5/E92 335/HUMMER H2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Irvine, CA iTrader: (7)	I've had long cranks since purchase on my 335i. One of my techs already has his FP replaced a few times. I personally know of at least 15 335is with this issue. Not counting the people I've seen on the forum.
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07-30-2008, 12:23 PM	#15
My135 Lieutenant Colonel 85 Rep 1,609 Posts Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0)	You have to count those who had no fuel pump problem before this poll make sense.
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07-30-2008, 04:36 PM	#19
All4One Second Lieutenant 3 Rep 241 Posts Drives: 135icp Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0)	Just a backgrounder for you guys who may want to contribute....it was started by Carlitos SS.. bimmertech was also on this thread and a lot of other good guys, it has a lot of good insights! let us not look at the poll as a big drawback on how good our 135 is...hell it really is good overall, I even have a chance to cancel right now but i wont. Let us dwell on the information that we can derive and learn from the data. BMW is a corporation and in as much as they probably do want to solve this, business practices can get shun over profits. It happens...to all car manufacturers. Who knows..we the consumers are the one's at fault due to our practices...low octane? or mixtures on our fuel? or it can be a wide array of things, the more we should seek answers. This is the true test for our maturity, its just not the fun of driving it, we should be able to go down on our knees and look under the chassis...just an allegory... http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1004 __________________ Monaco to Monaco:roundel:
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07-31-2008, 07:12 AM	#20
Esmallstii Systematic Chaos 40 Rep 550 Posts Drives: 08 135i Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Waterford, NY iTrader: (1)	Prolonged starts. I got mine back after 2 days @ the dealer, and they said they "tweeked" the software, but could find nothing wrong w/ the fuel pump, and it was starting normally for them every time. Guess what? Next AM,..it took about 4-5 seconds to start. Seems to only do it when it's been sitting overnight. Car just turned 1500 miles,..have not gone into limp mode yet. Made appointment for next week after a lengthy discussion w/ the service guy. Even e-mailed him the service bulletins that BimmerTech had posted. Also asked him to "Pre-Order" the fuel Pump so I dont have to wait for it to come in. They said BMW will not allow them to do that until they verify the part numbers on the current pump. Told him about all the other 1Addicts members who have been having the same issue. Lets see if they can fix it this time. __________________ BSM/Coral red/Sp pkg/Cft access/Htd seats/BMW Performance Pedals, Spoiler, & Rotors/18" VMR V710's/Hankook Ventus/Cool Carbon Pads ."The 135i's engine sound is so ferocious and bittersweet, so carnal and wicked, somebody ought to name a heavy-metal band after it: Velvet Chain Saw."
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Steve135i First Lieutenant 5 Rep 304 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jun 2008 iTrader: (0)	This makes me sick. Ultimate shop Queen.
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07-31-2008, 04:12 PM	#22
wu2x Captain 36 Rep 717 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 6MT Join Date: May 2008 Location: NorCal iTrader: (0)	Thanks for your valuable insight as always, Steve135i.
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