2011 1-series gets DCT

[vladberca]

the DCT is the future

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by trahsub

Problem with the manual tranny loyalists is they talk a big game but don't show up when BMW listens to them, thus ruining the chances for manuals to stick around in all models. Example, when the V10 M5 came in only SMGIII there was a lot of complaining that no manual was available. When BMW responded with a manual, sales were far below expectations, essentially wasting their time in offering this 6MT in the states.

If I recall, there was no plan to offer a 6MT in the E60 M5 anywhere. It wasn't until the loyalists in the US complained that it was eventually offered.

Originally Posted by vladberca

the DCT is the future

I agree, but I don't want to see DCT's become the replacement for both automatic transmissions and traditional manuals. Obviously, manufacturers would love this because it would bring production costs down if one transmission were used across a model line. With DCT's getting better with each iteration, it makes sense for them to replace regular automatics some day. However, some of us still prefer the simplicity and reliability of traditional manuals as well.

I think the recent R&T article made a great comparison between manuals and DCT's stating different reasons for choosing one over the other.

[Mark M]

Will it also have HPFP issues?



Not hating....just adding comic relief.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

I agree, but I don't want to see DCT's become the replacement for both automatic transmissions and traditional manuals. Obviously, manufacturers would love this because it would bring production costs down if one transmission were used across a model line. With DCT's getting better with each iteration, it makes sense for them to replace regular automatics some day. However, some of us still prefer the simplicity and reliability of traditional manuals as well.

I think the recent R&T article made a great comparison between manuals and DCT's stating different reasons for choosing one over the other.

Ferrari has done just that and has dumped the manual option all together in the 458

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Ferrari has done just that and has dumped the manual option all together in the 458

But most Ferrari's are bought by people who have too much money and just want something to 1up their neighbor. I'm pretty sure they put more miles on their hummers.

[Add1ct]

DCT in the new M1 should be pretty sweet, and who wants to bet it will cost 50k+ for a 1!!!!!

[emtrey]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

But most Ferrari's are bought by people who have too much money and just want something to 1up their neighbor. I'm pretty sure they put more miles on their hummers.

according to Ferrari, only 1% of cars sold were manual trans.

Sad...as a former F car owner, I would want a manual trans . Guess I won't be ordering a 458...no manual trans and a couple of hundred K other reasons.
LOL

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

But most Ferrari's are bought by people who have too much money and just want something to 1up their neighbor. I'm pretty sure they put more miles on their hummers.

True. Its a sad thing to think about.

I recal a statement by Ferrari a couple of years ago that the average Ferrari owner puts less than 5K miles on their car a year.

[JHZR2]

Only Magnum, p.i. puts more than that...

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

If that's the case, those of us who want a 6MT (me included) would really only need to install the new BMW Performance package to bring our cars to a similar level. Of course, other tunes may be a better option.

But if you look at the performance package, it is DERATED for the MT versus the AT! There is actually less torque available for the MT.

To get the life that BMW has engineered into the parts, the ZF 6-sp MT cannot handle the torque apparently.

From here:
http://e89.zpost.com/forums/showthre...49#post6375749


"Since I am the one that knows the real reason- First, the clutch and the springs used that can not handle the torque at those load levels. The 6MT would be able to handle the torque WITHOUT the overboost function but not be in BMWs range they prefer, since engines can actually produce more HP from the factory than quoted but not less. This is also the reason with the Performance Kit. When you talk to engineers and those that have a say in the design of these products you realize it is not marketing that plays a part into these decisions, unless you consider warranty and reliability marketing. Look up the numbers for the 6MT from ZF and you will see BMW in not BS-ing"

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

True. Its a sad thing to think about.

I recal a statement by Ferrari a couple of years ago that the average Ferrari owner puts less than 5K miles on their car a year.

That's why I would never want to own a supercar. Cars are meant to be driven and I will drive the crap out of every car I buy. I put 16k miles on my 1er in under a year and I work from home.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

That's why I would never want to own a supercar. Cars are meant to be driven and I will drive the crap out of every car I buy. I put 16k miles on my 1er in under a year and I work from home.

Its funny that you say that. I was being followed down a road about an hour ago. Its a fun road that I like to play around with (I have the winter tires to have fun)

After a few minutes of high speed driving the guy passes me while giving a quick nod and a nice smile. Then I see what he is driving.

Its a 997 GT3 with a full race cage and several track stickers in the window.
Talk about not being able to give up the fun in the winter.

[Cuz5150]

Originally Posted by trahsub

Problem with the manual tranny loyalists is they talk a big game but don't show up when BMW listens to them, thus ruining the chances for manuals to stick around in all models. Example, when the V10 M5 came in only SMGIII there was a lot of complaining that no manual was available. When BMW responded with a manual, sales were far below expectations, essentially wasting their time in offering this 6MT in the states.

A couple more situations like that and the MT will be in even less offerings.

I wouldnt say wasted time.......they do charge $250 for manual trans, now thats a first

[I'm1of'M]

Other than launch control, is it really better than the current slushbox with paddles?
I've driven an '09 Boxster S with the twin clutch auto, and I have to say that unless I'm missing something, my 135 feels better shifting
What are the benefits for the daily driver?

[jabwind51]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

stay tuned...

Wow! Care to elaborate more for us NA guys on any perfomance package add-ons?! For once, we may get some love in all this refreshing. For sure they will bump the HP on the next round, but I'd add a warranty safe package to mine...

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Ferrari has done just that and has dumped the manual option all together in the 458

Originally Posted by emtrey

according to Ferrari, only 1% of cars sold were manual trans.

Sad...as a former F car owner, I would want a manual trans . Guess I won't be ordering a 458...no manual trans and a couple of hundred K other reasons.
LOL

Yeah, it's unfortunate that the traditional manual is being phased out. If I were to get a 360, F430, or the new 458, I'd probably want a dual clutch or sequential transmission though because I'd most likely end up tracking those type of cars often. But, if I were to get a grand tourer like a 550/575 or the new 599, give me the traditional Ferrari gated manual shifter.

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by Robert

Sorry this doesn't sound a bit interesting to me at all. Manual is just more fun! Be great if I am looking for an automatic.

It may be more fun, but you can't argue that DCT's are becoming manual-like in their functionality. The fact that Porsche and Ferrari are building their cars with DCT confirms that. Depending on what you read, some writers have said the Porsche's DCT is better than their manual tranny.

[jabwind51]

Originally Posted by Haywood

It may be more fun, but you can't argue that DCT's are becoming manual-like in their functionality. The fact that Porsche and Ferrari are building their cars with DCT confirms that. Depending on what you read, some writers have said the Porsche's DCT is better than their manual tranny.

True. Buy they also stray very far in the sense that by making DCT as smooth as possible, they are going in the opposite direction of manual...what manual is silky smooth shifting at redline?

I don't know the consensus on this one but I really loved the SMG II in my old e46 m3. THAT felt like a real manual when you really were crunching through the gears as opposed to watching a number on your dash change smoothly, and unannounced...And I still totally think that DCT is very much a step forward and light years ahead of the old steptronics, so don't get me wrong.

But, now having a true manual for once in the 1 I certainly don't miss the SMG, but man was that fun to drive too...

[trahsub]

So to clarify, the 1/3 series that are reported to get DCT will be offered with the N54, not the new N55 correct?

No DCT for N55?

[ORIGIN M.]

Thats awesome!

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

Its funny that you say that. I was being followed down a road about an hour ago. Its a fun road that I like to play around with (I have the winter tires to have fun)

After a few minutes of high speed driving the guy passes me while giving a quick nod and a nice smile. Then I see what he is driving.

Its a 997 GT3 with a full race cage and several track stickers in the window.
Talk about not being able to give up the fun in the winter.

[Spartikus]

So where are the details on this alleged "Launch Control?"