On Board 1M Coupe With Chris Harris [Video]

[Future M1 owner]

Originally Posted by Trier Germany

V10 Turbo diesels apples and oranges.

Exactly. As is NA vs FI, soundwise.

[Trier Germany]

Originally Posted by mixxer

Says the guy who is going to get his M3 walked by a 1M with a tune in the 1/4 and on the track!

Walked is a bold statement. Drivers race and i prefer having N/A BMW /// M power

[mixxer]

I dont think walked is to bold, 300+pounds lighter ,almost same hp and 100 more ft pounds of torque. You do the math?

[Trier Germany]

Originally Posted by mixxer

I dont think walked is to bold, 300+pounds lighter ,almost same hp and 100 more ft pounds of torque. You do the math?

350hp versus 414hp i'm doing the math 64 hp defecit. Plus turbo lag and no oompf on the top end. Whom walked is a very bold statement especially on a track like the Nordschleife. The 1Mcoupe will be a little terror on the track but it won't walk an M3

[trahsub]

Originally Posted by Future M1 owner

Those Peugeot 908 and Audi R15 drivers must be bitterly complaining then, of positively unhealthy and uninspiring sounding engines with a 4800rpm redline, while they annihilate any and all other competitors out of corners.....with 885lb/ft of torque.....

I'm just sayin.....

Yes, the 908 and R15 dominate . . .and sound like $hit while doing it. I'll take the slower V12 Aston LMP1 any day. It was funny during the 24hrs broadcast, the announcers kept saying how disappointing the diesel sound was.

Back to the 1M, very cool vid, can't wait to see this thing complete in the flesh.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Trier Germany

350hp versus 414hp i'm doing the math 64 hp defecit. Plus turbo lag and no oompf on the top end. Whom walked is a very bold statement especially on a track like the Nordschleife. The 1Mcoupe will be a little terror on the track but it won't walk an M3

Hey didn't your mom ever teach you if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything? Not sure what you are trying to prove coming over to a 1 series forum to demonstrate superiority of a M3. Or trying so hard to demonstrate so.

[Trier Germany]

No she told me to speak whats on my mind freely and openly. I'm Not trying to state superiority! Just admiring another up and coming ///M car. The original debate was about the car needing to sound like an ///M car. The ///M division did not have enough lead time to devolop a FI motor from scratch so there still tweaking with the N54/55 variant. But I guess we will all find out in about 5-6 months what this little hot rod has under the hood an N54/55 variant or something fresh out of developtment from the ///m division. This would be the first ///M car to share powerplant with a series car if it doesn't get it's unique ///m powerplant.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by Trier Germany

This would be the first ///M car to share powerplant with a series car if it doesn't get it's unique ///m powerplant.

Except M3 E9X and M5/M6 E6X, all other M engine were based on AG engines. The same goes for Porsche, Audi S/RS and AMG, except the 6.3l V8, which was an answer to the M exception. But you will just never admit it.

What you are saying, but in other words:
"M3 GTS does not have a special M engine, is is just stroked, it makes less HP/l than M3 engine. You can get this done by Dinan, Noelle Motors or RD Sport, for less and with better figures."

[Trier Germany]

Originally Posted by Levi

Except M3 E9X and M5/M6 E6X, all other M engine were based on AG engines. The same goes for Porsche, Audi S/RS and AMG, except the 6.3l V8, which was an answer to the M exception. But you will just never admit it.

What you are saying, but in other words:
"M3 GTS does not have a special M engine, is is just stroked, it makes less HP/l than M3 engine. You can get this done by Dinan, Noelle Motors or RD Sport, for less and with better figures."

You got what I meant X6M, X5M and F10 M5 all have special ///M power-plants not shared with series cars from BMW AG. The new 1M coupe either has a true BMW ///M power-plant or a tuned N54/55 variant? I guess we will have to wait to see what BMW ///M installed in this little monster. At-least it will have a proper ///M chassis. You never know ///M engineers could have retooled this motor to be rev happy and not choke on the top end. The M3 GTS motor is unique it's not a series motor but a true ///M motor. The M3 CSL motor had a different intake and manifold and still holds the Nordschleife record for a production BMW until the M3 GTS clocks a lap. I' guessing around 7:35-7:39 around the ring the added aero KW suspension P-zero corsa tires equivalent to Michelin PSC and extra oompf from the motor will allow it to terrorize the Nurburgring!

[BMW269]

BMW M is not that stupid. They know that if the M1 engine is N54 or N55 and not S55, not a single M1 will be sold. And they know that all will look carefully at what was done to the engine, because it is the "first" FI M car. X6 M was first, but it is hard to tell how good the S63 engine is, because of the car itself. X6 is AWD, AUT and heavy. If the engine was just a tuned N54 they would not need so much of testing, as the first N54 was tested, it was tesed with over 400 HP, and the production car HP went down to 300 HP. That is why there are not many blown up 400 HP N54 engines. M1 engine will surely handle close to 500 HP.

[mixxer]

I said with a tune !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its going to 400 to the tire with a tune !!!

Says the guy who is going to get his M3 walked by a 1M with a tune in the 1/4 and on the track! Dont be all butt hurt cause your m3 is about to become old hat with the new 1M and the new M3 comming out . Boosted is where its at buddy unless its a dedicated road race car,face the facts. Oh and a real track car doesnt have 4 doors dude. You act all bmw pure well a real M3 only has two doors!!!!!!

[graider]

Originally Posted by Levi

BMW M is not that stupid. They know that if the M1 engine is N54 or N55 and not S55, not a single M1 will be sold. And they know that all will look carefully at what was done to the engine, because it is the "first" FI M car. X6 M was first, but it is hard to tell how good the S63 engine is, because of the car itself. X6 is AWD, AUT and heavy. If the engine was just a tuned N54 they would not need so much of testing, as the first N54 was tested, it was tesed with over 400 HP, and the production car HP went down to 300 HP. That is why there are not many blown up 400 HP N54 engines. M1 engine will surely handle close to 500 HP.

+1. I think there is a chance bmw may use the 1m engine for the next m3 with more hp to save cost. so 500hp for the 1m engine is possible.

[Trier Germany]

4 doors is where it's at; same exact capabilities as a coupe big trunk 4 doors oh and it eats 135I's and 335 with tunes at the Nordschleife for breakfast,lunch and dinner. I'm not butt hurt! if the 1M coupe is a capable car with a rev happy top end I will consider it for a weekend toy to play with. but if it sticks with the N54/55 concept of running dead at 5500RPM and zero oomph at the top end I will save my pennies and get a GT3 Porsche.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Trier Germany

No she told me to speak whats on my mind freely and openly. I'm Not trying to state superiority! Just admiring another up and coming ///M car. The original debate was about the car needing to sound like an ///M car. The ///M division did not have enough lead time to devolop a FI motor from scratch so there still tweaking with the N54/55 variant. But I guess we will all find out in about 5-6 months what this little hot rod has under the hood an N54/55 variant or something fresh out of developtment from the ///m division. This would be the first ///M car to share powerplant with a series car if it doesn't get it's unique ///m powerplant.

Okay, my bad then. You came across as a troll belittling the 1M.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Trier Germany

4 doors is where it's at; same exact capabilities as a coupe big trunk 4 doors oh and it eats 135I's and 335 with tunes at the Nordschleife for breakfast,lunch and dinner. I'm not butt hurt! if the 1M coupe is a capable car with a rev happy top end I will consider it for a weekend toy to play with. but if it sticks with the N54/55 concept of running dead at 5500RPM and zero oomph at the top end I will save my pennies and get a GT3 Porsche.

For majority of the 1M owners, assuming North America, we don't have Nordschleife nor accessible unrestricted freeway to take advantage top end of the motor. Second, the 1M is designed and marketed as entry luxury performance vehicle. GT3 on the other hand is pure performance at double the price.

Sounds like you haven't narrowed your purchasing decision because its all over the map. I think you are shopping no frill, purebred sports car at economy pricing. Something that doesn't exist in real world unless its a pricing error, but if you do find it, let me know.

[Trier Germany]

Originally Posted by Robert

For majority of the 1M owners, assuming North America, we don't have Nordschleife nor accessible unrestricted freeway to take advantage top end of the motor. Second, the 1M is designed and marketed as entry luxury performance vehicle. GT3 on the other hand is pure performance at double the price.

Sounds like you haven't narrowed your purchasing decision because its all over the map. I think you are shopping no frill, purebred sports car at economy pricing. Something that doesn't exist in real world unless its a pricing error, but if you do find it, let me know.

If this little bad boy comes out with proper ///M motor for the track and can be massaged mid corner with the throttle and has allot of oomph on the top end then this car will be the bargain of the century! if it' priced lets say 5K less than a M3. Porsche GT3 ive always wanted it's a sports car in the purest form imaginable, one day i'll get my hands on one.

[mshahidz]

m3 and m1 are uncompareable. IMO.

[amdmaxx]

name 6.3
actual displacement 6.2
soon to be replaced by 5.5 TT v8

Originally Posted by Levi

AMG, except the 6.3l V8, which was an answer to the M exception.
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[Trier Germany]

Originally Posted by amdmaxx

name 6.3
actual displacement 6.2
soon to be replaced by 5.5 TT v8

Whats this supposed to mean?

[grant]

Originally Posted by Robert

For majority of the 1M owners, assuming North America, we don't have Nordschleife nor accessible unrestricted freeway to take advantage top end of the motor.

To enjoy the top end of a motor, you certainly don't need anything like an unrestricted autobahn. You notice it at redline shifts in every gear (not going too fast at redline in 1st or 2nd gear). And I encourage people to drive these cars on road courses where you can hit over 140mph every lap...