Reckless Driving Ticket Today - 101MPH!

[Xyloft]

i dont think anyone should be going 100 on a public road, but I have to admit, i'm impressed at the OP's stance. instead of the "i hate cops, i did nothing wrong" that attitude i typically see on forums he had a "i ef'ed up, now it's going to hurt" attitude.

props for admitting you messed up. the question now is, did you learn from it?

[onefastman]

Yes and no probably. He learned that if he wants to drive fast he should have is pocket book ready just in case.

[JBW]

Originally Posted by JimBeemer

I used to work at GE and drove the Merritt Parkway regularly. ...Seems a ridiculous place to drive 100. I have a feeling the judge is going to see some punk who doesnt have the brains to slow down on a holiday weekend (when most people know that cops are out in full-force), and probably give you a little bit of a lesson.

Read the post. This was NOT on the Merritt. But, thanks for the encouragement and kind words. (Not.)

For those interested, I have done the Skip Barber course, Bob Bondurant course, many track days and race events (cars and motorcycles), etc. I know how to drive pretty damn well, thank you. There were also NO cars in my path ...ZERO. The road was PERFECTLY clear and freshly paved. Conditions were IDEAL. I also have a race-grade suspension, including brakes. Tire pressures are set every time the average daily temperature changes by 5 degrees or every week. I never weave in traffic and am generally extremely courteous on the road. I'm as far from a jerk on the road as you can be and am ALWAYS 100% attentive to driving. I don't drink or do drugs. In fact, the ONLY thing I do "wrong" is speed. If I want to endanger MYSELF (only), so be it. That's what the law is really about as it applies to speeding. No passenger, no other drivers. Only me. I wasn't endangering anyone other than myself. (And, really, I was in no danger that would truly be out of the ordinary.) End of story on this point.

I honestly don't care if anyone here agrees or not with traveling faster than the legal limit allows on the road. I think it's a complete joke to suggest that over 85MPH is "reckless." A JOKE, PERIOD! I'd love to see the stats on accidents at 84MPH versus 100MPH. I guarantee that there is relatively NO difference in injuries, etc. Or, for those that "only go about 10 over," that believe they are smarter or superior in some way, how about 75MPH versus 100MPH.

I knew this topic would bring out all types. I just love some of the holier than thou attitudes. Some of you are just ridiculous. (Please spare me the quoted replies stating that I'm ridiculous, etc.)

[Robert]

I hope OP the best of luck. It sucks being nailed for doing 100mph but its the price you pay to play.

To those who are overly critical on OP, you are hypocrites. Every one of you. Don't believe a second people who buys 135i never speed for fraction of a second. If so you are a hypocrite and have serious disregard of life.

Why am I so certain? Because I am mimicking the same "I know it so" mentality you guys are applying. We know nothing of the condition OP was in. It's not like mom, daughters and innocent bystanders will pop out of nowhere. The road could have been straight, deserted with no on/off-ramp for miles.

So anyone here with a 135i and are critical of the OP is a hypocrite. There I said it, again. (Annoying to be such a righteous pain in the butt, huh?) Furthermore I think speed governor shall be install on those who don't speed to max of 65? Will that be dangerous? Of course, sometimes it may be the right thing to do to speed out of a situation but since the law is inflexible, if you do that you are "breaking the law" therefore should be punished to the fullest extend. Might as well have the SOS system automatically send a "confession" to local law enforcement as well. Because if one is careful he would never be in a situation where he needs to speed over 65 to avoid an accident, right?

[JBW]

Originally Posted by Xyloft

...did you learn from it?

Yes! I learned that I should buy an Escort Laser Shifter!

Thanks for asking.

Seriously though, I'm not going to stop speeding. Who here is? Who's criticizing and breaking the law everyday themselves?! Yeah, I thought so. SHUT. UP! Oh, I get it ...I was going WAY TOO FAST! It wasn't simply 10MPH over, but 36MPH! OMG! Really?! My car will stop faster than 99.5% of cars on the road. My car has the ability to maneuver as necessary better than 99.5% of cars on the road. My driving skill is better than 99.5% of drivers on the road. Etc., etc., etc. Does that matter as it applies to safety for myself and/or others?

As stated here, the law is the law. And, while I'd love to have a meaningful discussion about this law and my particular situation in breaking it, I know that it's not likely in my best interest to do so with the judge. It would cost me too much time and money to mount a REAL challenge, as well as present more risk to my outcome. But, I do believe it can be challenged at the "normal" level using a lawyer and I will likely get one. Whatever the consequence is, so be it. There's nothing I can really do about it, whether the law is a good one or not. All I know, is that I was not driving recklessly, as defined by the law or not.

Back to speeding. I hit 120MPH a few times today. FUN. FUN. FUN! In fact, there's not a time in get in my car and don't hit triple digits at some point. It's the norm, not the exception. All the haters ...SHUT. UP! I don't care what you think. You are haters. I'm a lover. (Hot ladies, give me a shout yo'!)

LMAO.

[bradford]

Originally Posted by fermat1313

I think it comes down to a discussion of illegal vs. immoral/unethical or whatever term you want to use.

Clearly driving over 100 mph is illegal. Driving 66 in a 65 zone is illegal. We all break various laws because most people think, even if they won't admit, that the law is not the final word on right and wrong. Even those of you who are coming down on the OP would be pissed if you got a ticket for driving 68 in a 65. Probably really pissed, because you would say that wasn't breaking the law enough to warrant a ticket. You would say that the conditions made that speed safe, regardless of what the law says. On the other hand, if it's raining hard, driving at 65 may be very reckless, even if you're not legally speeding.

My point here is that things aren't always as black and white as you would say. Is driving over 100 wrong? Well that depends on the situation. If you're on a crowded road, then yeah, you're taking unnecessary risks with the lives of others. What if you're on an open highway with excellent visibility well ahead of you, and there's nobody around? Well then that is a different situation, and should be evaluated separately.

If you are saying that driving over 100 on a public road necessarily puts others at risk, then you aren't using situational judgement. Most people do this, and while you are taking a risk of legal penalties, a reasonable person can still look at the situation and determine the real risk.

In Texas, there is a very long straight road (with a slight downward elevation) with excellent visibility for approximately two miles in good weather. Last time I was on the road, I could see that nobody was on the road at all. The road is in excellent condition, and my car was serviced with good tires and pressure. I gunned it and hit 110 during this stretch. I also watched the road carefully, and would easily know if someone came onto the road. Did I endanger myself? Perhaps, but not much given the conditions. Did I endanger anyone else? Absolutely not!

To simply say that driving over 100 in US is just wrong or irresponsible or anything else belies the fact that not every situation is the same. A smart person can make that judgement and drive fast without endangering others. Still gonna get hit with a nasty ticket if you get caught though!

There is no gray in the world of the lemming.

[LJKelley]

It is funny that some people think that people have no choice to drive on high speed interstates.

There is a complete road network created long before interstates existed for those who choose to drive slower. The interstate system was created as a high speed, controlled access system to increase the speed at which people could operate safely.

It is like here in Rochester, we have a wonderful road network outside the interstate system, so yes I feel there is something wrong when old grandma drives 45mph on the interstate when she could have just as easily gone from point A to point B using more appropriate roads.

And the problem is still people not being focused on driving. If you are text or distracted or have poor vision or are so old you can't react perhaps YOU should take some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and not drive. And you should absolutely not be driving where people drive at fast speeds. And while 100+ mph is excessive. I notice most people in Rochester where speed limits on the interstate vary from 55-65 drive about 55-80. That is not safe for anyone that is not focused on driving or thinks 45 is a safe speed.

[///M1]

Invest in a Lidatek or similar laser jammer if that is how you drive.

You can haggle a lot, the success of which is dependent on your driving record. If you are clean, they can wipe a bunch of those points and give you a fairly benign sentence should you enter a plea (something that has a high monetary fine like parking on handicapped area, but no points). If you don't have a clean driving record, you are gonna have an uphil battle... Either way there is a huge luck factor, does cop show up that day, did he get some in the morning or he is feelin' miserable, how open is the prosecutor to a plea, etc.

[GaryS]

Well I did criticize the Lambo dude who did 220 in very light traffic. But I don't think 100 mph on a clear highway is dangerous. If you don't scare or annoy other cars, I don't have a problem with 100-120.

[TMR013]

Originally Posted by JBW

Yes! I learned that I should buy an Escort Laser Shifter!

Thanks for asking.

Seriously though, I'm not going to stop speeding. Who here is? Who's criticizing and breaking the law everyday themselves?! Yeah, I thought so. SHUT. UP! Oh, I get it ...I was going WAY TOO FAST! It wasn't simply 10MPH over, but 36MPH! OMG! Really?! My car will stop faster than 99.5% of cars on the road. My car has the ability to maneuver as necessary better than 99.5% of cars on the road. My driving skill is better than 99.5% of drivers on the road. Etc., etc., etc. Does that matter as it applies to safety for myself and/or others?

As stated here, the law is the law. And, while I'd love to have a meaningful discussion about this law and my particular situation in breaking it, I know that it's not likely in my best interest to do so with the judge. It would cost me too much time and money to mount a REAL challenge, as well as present more risk to my outcome. But, I do believe it can be challenged at the "normal" level using a lawyer and I will likely get one. Whatever the consequence is, so be it. There's nothing I can really do about it, whether the law is a good one or not. All I know, is that I was not driving recklessly, as defined by the law or not.

Back to speeding. I hit 120MPH a few times today. FUN. FUN. FUN! In fact, there's not a time in get in my car and don't hit triple digits at some point. It's the norm, not the exception. All the haters ...SHUT. UP! I don't care what you think. You are haters. I'm a lover. (Hot ladies, give me a shout yo'!)

LMAO.

Well, even though this post kinda comes across the wrong way, a bit immature maybe, I have to agree with you for the most part. We bought 135's because we like fast cars. And no, despite all the protests, it is not reasonable to expect us to not use these cars on public roads to some extent of their capability. But it is our responsibility to make sure that we do our utmost not to hurt ourselves or anybody else while doing it. And with the full understanding that if we get caught by LE, we are willing to pay the price. Unfortunately, there are WAY too many people out there who feel it's a right and not a privilege. You just need to make sure your in the right camp.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by fermat1313

I think it comes down to a discussion of illegal vs. immoral/unethical or whatever term you want to use.

Clearly driving over 100 mph is illegal. Driving 66 in a 65 zone is illegal. We all break various laws because most people think, even if they won't admit, that the law is not the final word on right and wrong. Even those of you who are coming down on the OP would be pissed if you got a ticket for driving 68 in a 65. Probably really pissed, because you would say that wasn't breaking the law enough to warrant a ticket. You would say that the conditions made that speed safe, regardless of what the law says. On the other hand, if it's raining hard, driving at 65 may be very reckless, even if you're not legally speeding.

My point here is that things aren't always as black and white as you would say. Is driving over 100 wrong? Well that depends on the situation. If you're on a crowded road, then yeah, you're taking unnecessary risks with the lives of others. What if you're on an open highway with excellent visibility well ahead of you, and there's nobody around? Well then that is a different situation, and should be evaluated separately.

If you are saying that driving over 100 on a public road necessarily puts others at risk, then you aren't using situational judgement. Most people do this, and while you are taking a risk of legal penalties, a reasonable person can still look at the situation and determine the real risk.

In Texas, there is a very long straight road (with a slight downward elevation) with excellent visibility for approximately two miles in good weather. Last time I was on the road, I could see that nobody was on the road at all. The road is in excellent condition, and my car was serviced with good tires and pressure. I gunned it and hit 110 during this stretch. I also watched the road carefully, and would easily know if someone came onto the road. Did I endanger myself? Perhaps, but not much given the conditions. Did I endanger anyone else? Absolutely not!

To simply say that driving over 100 in US is just wrong or irresponsible or anything else belies the fact that not every situation is the same. A smart person can make that judgement and drive fast without endangering others. Still gonna get hit with a nasty ticket if you get caught though!

Steve

A fine post!

You'd think some of these people have never been outside the city limits where they were born.

[bradford]

Originally Posted by rsjean

Ah, Albert resurfaces with his science expertise. But we all know Albert had trouble tying his shoes. There is a mitigating factor called 'perspective'. Without actually being at the blind spot, you cannot tell for sure that the spot is indeed blind for the traffic that will impact your travel. Because they may all be sight impaired but they might not be what the DOT would call 'blind' - meaning enough visibility to navigate safely at posted speed. You actually helped make it blind by reducing advance warning and reaction time by nearly half.
You see it sort of the same principle as when your town tells you not to plant bushes closer than 40 feet to the intersection because it will obstruct visibility and cause an unsafe condition. This is light traveling in a straight line coupled with perspective. Speed becomes a mitigating factor because if you double the posted speed limit on the cross street you must also increase the distance that you cannot plant the bushes. Simple enough?
Good.
It’s a technique used all the time in road design. The perspective part actually influences posted speeds more than the light traveling in a straight line thing…
Nothing new here - It has gotten travelers in trouble since the days the pioneers migrated across the countryside trying to predict what would be in view and what would be safe passage.

SLOWING FOR CURVES. It's kind of one of the cornerstones of the "Driving for Conditions" mantra. I can see why it would be a foreign concept to you at 55mph though, so don't sweat it.

[bradford]

Originally Posted by rsjean

I think you might subconsciously be beginning to understand....

I understand perfectly; I simply don't give a rats ass.

Everyone makes choices in their life. I choose to take it upon myself to use my experience, skills, and knowledge, driving efficiently but carefully, basing my decisions on my surroundings. If I break the law and I get caught, I pay the speed tax and that's that.

If you choose to be an amoeba and let someone else program your life for you, have at it. Just try not to be a smug, self-righteous prick and hog the left lane.

[JBW]

Originally Posted by TMR013

Well, even though this post kinda comes across the wrong way, a bit immature maybe, I have to agree with you for the most part.

As this forum certainly seems to have its share of most personality and driving types, for those interested I'm middle-aged and 100% professional. Most recently I was a VP at a major consulting firm in NYC. And, I now run my own small operation with a few Fortune 100 clients. I joke here and there on this forum just to get a rise out of the more conservative types. (Y'all need to chill out!) But, I also let my "kid side" come out too. I don't need to be serious all the time. There's no fun in that! (Jeeeesh, I get the TOTAL CORPORATE HORSE SHIT EVERY DAY!)

I liken my 135i now, with PROcede, FMIC, etc. to the sport bikes I've owned and raced (BMW K1200S, Suzuki GSX-R1000, Honda CBR600RR) in that the overall performance capabilities and rate of acceleration is just addictive. And, FAR superior with regard to safety to the VAST majority of vehicles on the road. What I think most people just don't understand is that I'm not driving 120MPH for miles on end. I do it for short bursts. And, it takes a VERY short distance to get up to the higher speeds I run from time to time. I can be going 80MPH in 6th gear, go WOT and hit 110MPH literally in under 5 seconds. I can also slow down VERY fast. When you drive/ride such capable machines it's a different experience from what most know about. It's really not a big deal at all. I'll close this in saying, again, that the SAFETY measure GAINS when driving a car like mine CAPABLY, FAR OUTWEIGH the risks to me or others.

[JBW]

Originally Posted by bradford

If you choose to be an amoeba and let someone else program your life for you, have at it. Just try not to be a smug, self-righteous prick and hog the left lane.

Love it.

[crzy4135i]

Originally Posted by JBW

I knew this topic would bring out all types. I just love some of the holier than thou attitudes. Some of you are just ridiculous. (Please spare me the quoted replies stating that I'm ridiculous, etc.)

Now you realize some people buy performance oriented cars for status, to get dates, drive to church, and many other reasons besides what the car was designed for.. spirited driving. I think some of the people who post on here are actually members of the prius forum and don't even own bmw's.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by crzy4135i

I think some of the people who post on here are actually members of the prius forum and don't even own bmw's.

Easy now. I'm a member of that forum too.

Different cars for different purposes.

[JBW]

Originally Posted by crzy4135i

Now you realize some people buy performance oriented cars for status, to get dates, drive to church, and many other reasons besides what the car was designed for.. spirited driving.

These must be the same folks that just can't grasp how capable these machines really are. My car is about performance ...100%.

[chris719]

Not that familiar with 9 but I drive the Merritt weekly during non-rush hours and it's one of the best roads to drive quickly on when there is low traffic. There are not many places for police to hide. Care must be taken at night and especially if you don't know the road well.

[JBW]

Having lived in Manhattan for over 15 years I've become very familiar with the Merritt. It's a fantastic drive with a handful of GREAT turns. It can be dangerous in spots though! The scariest moment I had was at 7am on a Saturday morning riding my BMW K1200S motorcycle. I was moving FAST and a group of deer appeared out of the woods! Luckily, they didn't get in my way! The road can be HELL if an accident occurs too! You are STUCK.

I love the Merritt Parkway.

[Phased]

Originally Posted by JBW

I'd love to see the stats on accidents at 84MPH versus 100MPH. I guarantee that there is relatively NO difference in injuries, etc.)

That's because you are dead either way. However, speed and injury are strongly correlated.

[CarCzar128i]

There seems to be an ample supply of idiots on here that think driving to endanger is cute, or an entitlement, or brave, or whatever. I wish the boy racers here would replace the posted photos of their shiny lease payments with photos of their genitals, because the sane people on this forum could use a good laugh.