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      05-13-2011, 03:07 PM   #1
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Bilstien pss10 or KW V2 ?

hey guys wondering wich coilovers to get for my 135i from past experince i had the Bilstien pss9 on my c230K nad was very happy with them ...



so what are better Bilstien pss10 or KW V2 ? and why
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      05-13-2011, 05:08 PM   #2
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Bilstein hands down. I'll say my reasoning is quality. If you liked your PSS9's then why switch to KW?
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Bilstein hands down. I'll say my reasoning is quality. If you liked your PSS9's then why switch to KW?
. I guess your right i never had a problem with them and im from NYC
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      05-13-2011, 05:16 PM   #4
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I mean KW's are fine for the price but Bilstein has such a high reputation in racing and what not why wouldn't you get them when you know they'll be perfect from having used them already? PSS10 is even more awesome than the 9's are (I run the 9's).
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The reason why i asked is cuz most of yhe forum talk about kw and have them. Thats why.
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Bilstein hands down. I'll say my reasoning is quality. If you liked your PSS9's then why switch to KW?
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KW has quality control issues. Look up all the people who have had metallic clanking and banging noises from their V2s

PSS10 no contest

KW also lies. Their double adjustable coilovers have the same number of adjustments as Bilsteins single adjustment PSS10s
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Do they have the same height adjustments? Bilstein's are some good s though
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The reason why i asked is cuz most of yhe forum talk about kw and have them. Thats why.
oh I'm not raggin on ya buddy, no worries. Just saying if you liked your PSS9's then stick with what you know.

I'm also just a little "against the grain" on some of the things a good majority of forum members buy. I find a lot of them tend to be uneducated morons in some areas of cars/modding/ect... and just get whatever is popular among other non educated morons who regurgitate technical info that is put out by the manufacturers of the crap products to boost sales numbers of shitty unsafe or poor quality parts.
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Do they have the same height adjustments? Bilstein's are some good s though
KWs can go back to stock ride height.

Bilsteins have a minimum 3/4" or 1" drop. I can't remember exactly what it is but it's in the range
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oh I'm not raggin on ya buddy, no worries. Just saying if you liked your PSS9's then stick with what you know.

I'm also just a little "against the grain" on some of the things a good majority of forum members buy. I find a lot of them tend to be uneducated morons in some areas of cars/modding/ect... and just get whatever is popular among other non educated morons who regurgitate technical info that is put out by the manufacturers of the crap products to boost sales numbers of shitty unsafe or poor quality parts.
OUCH, me happy wif me's KW2 so fars.
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thats fine, wasn't really referring to you specifically but just the masses in general.
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KWs can go back to stock ride height.

Bilsteins have a minimum 3/4" or 1" drop. I can't remember exactly what it is but it's in the range
it's 1"
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KW has quality control issues. Look up all the people who have had metallic clanking and banging noises from their V2s

PSS10 no contest

KW also lies. Their double adjustable coilovers have the same number of adjustments as Bilsteins single adjustment PSS10s
I don't have any metallic clanking or banging noises?
I am one of the earlier batches where the lock nut where the front shock attaches to the tension rod (i think) where the nut did not give enough threads through for me to feel safe. I contacted KW and they shipped me a replacement set of proper locking nuts very promptly.

Regardless before and after I've had no issues.
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Having run PSS10 and KW on the 135i I can tell you that KW is better on this car.

It seems the PSS10 were taken straight from the 335i, and don't work as well as expected. The damping is never right (the bump and rebound never match up like they should), and the ride height at the front is a joke - with the minimum drop it is way to low for anything except looking cool. I also had quality control issues on the PSS10's rear damping adjustment got blocked on 7, and I had to send it back to the factory for replacement. After sales service sucks.

I gave up on these and moved to KW CS (ok they are different to V2), but I was amazed at how good they are - the quality of the damping is night and day! The advantage of the PSS10s is the ease of damping adjustment, but if all settings are lame then what's the point?

I have no doubt that Bilstein make great suspension kits, but I know that the PSS10 kit for the 135i is not great if you like to do some sporty driving on less than perfect roads, or if you like to take your car on a race track. If that is not your requirement, and you are just doing it for the looks, then just get some lowering springs or non-adjustable dampers.
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Club Sports don't count. They are manufactured to a much higher spec than both V2s and PSS10s

But the rest of that is enlightening, that's the first negative review I've heard of the Bilsteins
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Yeah, I was going to say Club Sports are really in a different league price-wise.

A lot of people knock the Bilstein's for going too low in the front. My car was definitely slammed in front when I first had them fitted, but I was able to raise the ride height just like any other coilover. I probably couldn't get it back to stock ride height in front (I could in the rear) but why would I want to?

I have the PSS9's, by the way. Never used any KW product, so can't compare.
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Club Sports are obviously better than V2s for sports oriented / track driving. The rear clubsports are identical to V3's, only the fronts are different. For the price, I paid 1900 Euros for the Clubsports, whereas the PSS10's are 1600 Euro - then factor in the cost of the camber plates which you need on a 135i, and the Clubsports are actually cheaper....

In any case, PSS10's are a waste of money on a 135i - rubbish damping, and no usable ride height adjustment on the front. I've tried several suspension kits on various cars over the years. the PSS10's were the worst I ever had.

AFAIK, the PSS9's were actually manufactured for the 1er, whilst the PSS10's were just carried over from the E92 coupe.
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oh boy . so what should i get now?
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Why are you changing from stock and what is your requirement?
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AFAIK, the PSS9's were actually manufactured for the 1er, whilst the PSS10's were just carried over from the E92 coupe.
Yeah, I've seen that the PSS10's are advertised as being interchangeable between the 1er and 3er, which makes sense considering that the suspension is essentially the same, except that the spring rates ought to be different given the weight difference between the cars.

According to the documentation that came with my PSS9's, fitment is 1er specific (coupe or hatch). My invoice from Turner mentioned compatibility with the 3er, though, if a softer ride was desired.

In any case, I find the damping to be quite good. And the Bilstein kits usually sell for $1500-$1800, depending on if you get the 9's or 10's (got mine new for $1099). KW Club Sports are more in the $2800-$3000 range IIRC, so a pretty significant price difference for US buyers.
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Club Sports are obviously better than V2s for sports oriented / track driving. The rear clubsports are identical to V3's, only the fronts are different. For the price, I paid 1900 Euros for the Clubsports, whereas the PSS10's are 1600 Euro - then factor in the cost of the camber plates which you need on a 135i, and the Clubsports are actually cheaper....

In any case, PSS10's are a waste of money on a 135i - rubbish damping, and no usable ride height adjustment on the front. I've tried several suspension kits on various cars over the years. the PSS10's were the worst I ever had.

AFAIK, the PSS9's were actually manufactured for the 1er, whilst the PSS10's were just carried over from the E92 coupe.
You've bought or?
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