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      02-14-2009, 07:50 PM   #45
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^ if that is the price I will laugh at them when they try to sell it to me. Dinan will make more hp, and even at their ripoff price it is cheaper while still having a warranty...
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      02-14-2009, 10:48 PM   #46
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Maybe the gains from this performance package aree larger than stated
Thats what I'm sayin! If all of us dont believe an N54 puts out 300, why believe this tune will give you 20hp..lol I mean really?
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      02-14-2009, 11:45 PM   #47
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this kit supposedly adds an additional water cooler and upgraded fan? That part's probably the most interesting as they'd be nice upgrades to have in addition to an upgraded oil cooler and JB3/Procede.
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      02-15-2009, 12:25 AM   #48
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the stock fan is 497 on tischers site, listed as 621 retail, this kit is going to be $2k easy
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      02-15-2009, 05:23 AM   #49
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I think everyone is just so interested in cars that we can't help ourselves to speculate what it may or may not be. Like someone said let the market sort this out. If BMW can't sell it at the price they will get out of aftermarket or forced to reduce price.
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      02-15-2009, 06:13 AM   #50
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..so this may be rated by bmw at 326, but it's likely more like 330-340, so with exhaust, the new 35 intake (at least for the 335) and this, probably a solid 350 crank hp
This is what I said on page 1 of this thread. We are speculating. I predict that the BMW performance tune and total hardware package will drive better than all the aftermarket piggy-bag tunes (with their pumped up psi's). But we will find out.
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      02-15-2009, 08:09 AM   #51
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This is what I said on page 1 of this thread. We are speculating. I predict that the BMW performance tune and total hardware package will drive better than all the aftermarket piggy-bag tunes (with their pumped up psi's). But we will find out.
So do I. If I wanted an unrefined fast car I would've straped a 6k 400hp FI kit on my 2800lb Honda. I hope the lack of turbo lag was still a priority.
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      02-16-2009, 05:22 AM   #52
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The kit will probably be avaiable in june (no guarantee).

its also depending on the options the car has (dunno which...)

no price avaiable yet.


according to an email from bmw munich, 02-16-2009
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      02-16-2009, 10:11 AM   #53
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1 is pretty close to m3's performance. They can't add more than 25 horses or the M3 sales will plummet. I would get the upgrade if it were under 500 bucks. Especially, like that it's under warranty.
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      02-16-2009, 02:47 PM   #54
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Lets hope that upgrade will be standard on 2010 models... At least on Tii/Supersport models (but that's too far away).
2010 335 coupe should give us good indication which way BMW is heading with this upgraded N54.. About 6-7 months to wait...
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1 is pretty close to m3's performance. They can't add more than 25 horses or the M3 sales will plummet. I would get the upgrade if it were under 500 bucks. Especially, like that it's under warranty.
How so? The M3 is almost a full second quicker to 60mph and has a quartermile almost a full second as well.
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MT's latest on the 135i was 4.6 to 60 and 13.2 1/4 mile- the M3 is 4.0-4.1 to 60 and cant remember the 1/4, so if this really delivers BMWs .2 secs to 60 then the 1 is only .3 secs behind the M, add in the perf exhaust and intake and if it could muster a 4.3 to 60 then we're only .2 sec behind, of course this is now becoming a close race, until the first corner!
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      02-16-2009, 08:41 PM   #57
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M3 = v8
M3 = LSD
M3 = prestige.
M3 = M Heritage

Trust me, people shopping M3 are not cross-shopping 1 series..
If someone looks for 0-60 buys, then they are cross shopping mustang/sti/evo/370z/135

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M3 = v8
M3 = LSD
M3 = prestige.
M3 = M Heritage

Trust me, people shopping M3 are not cross-shopping 1 series..
If someone looks for 0-60 buys, then they are cross shopping mustang/sti/evo/370z/135
Says the VW owner

I don't think that many people will be cross shopping a mustang with a 135i for the most part, but a lot of people cross shop the sti/evo/370z with the 135i.

How does being a v8 sell the car? it has poor torque-less than a stock 135i- and gets really shitty gas mileage...

M3 has an lsd...Any moron can bolt a new lsd to a 135i for under 3k

M3 drivers are known as complete assholes for the most part...Not prestige...

You are correct that most people buy into the ///M marketing ploy...
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      02-17-2009, 02:05 PM   #59
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Trust me, people shopping M3 are not cross-shopping 1 series..
Not true - I am.

Don't give a rat's a$$ about the M prestige, I just made the mistake of test-driving it.

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M3 has an lsd...Any moron can bolt a new lsd to a 135i for under 3k
Not true - it will be over $4k, as you need a new pumpkin without the welded flanges (plus installation costs).


There are a couple more things besides the LSD that the 135i lacks, the most important being a balanced handling/suspension (not to mention the EDC) and a good set of tires/wheels. These costs quickly add up.

The 135 has other advantages that are hard to ignore: mileage, size/weight and ultimately lower cost (even after upgrades). If BMW offered all these Performance Catalog goodies factory-installed (and for a smaller cost of course) I would no longer look at the M3.

This is the dilemma I'm facing right now... now granted, as dilemmas go it's not a bad one to have, either way I'll end up with a great car.
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M3 = v8
M3 = LSD
M3 = prestige.
M3 = M Heritage
Ironic post, considering that none of the M3's heritage (for street cars) included a V8, until the latest model.
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Not true - it will be over $4k, as you need a new pumpkin without the welded flanges (plus installation costs).
Depends on if you have STEPTRONIC or manual. $1,400 (plus installation) for the former, $3,300 (plus installation) for the latter.
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Depends on if you have STEPTRONIC or manual. $1,400 (plus installation) for the former, $3,300 (plus installation) for the latter.
are you saying an lsd is only 1400?
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are you saying an lsd is only 1400?

I was wrong.

The part itself is $1,450.00, not $1,400.00.

(Plus installation.)

For the STEPTRONIC.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223961
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wow i had no idea how reasonably priced they are
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$3,300 (plus installation) for the latter.
Yeah, sounds about right.

$4k diff + $4k suspension (putting here everything, including M3 control arms and rear sway and installation) + $2k wheels/tires + $2k power/reliability (chip/FMIC) = $12k or so

I had priced out a 135i ED around $38k and an M3 sedan around $53k. If you factor in $12k worth of mods to the 135, then you have only $3k difference - at which point, it's the M3 all the way for me.


Which is why I would never consider spending $4k on a diff for a mostly street car... YMMV.
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Make sure you find a diff specialist to install it - this is not for the inexperienced. Make sure they know and can set the Pinion depth, the Backlash, and the Preload.

Also, there will be additional parts required.
  • Stub axle seals (may be provided by your supplier).
  • A rebuild kit that includes a special single-use nut that goes on the pinion shaft.
  • The bolts that hold the ring gear onto the diff (Steptronic) are stretch bolts that technically should only be used once, but you may get away with reusing them in this application.
  • BMW uses a special snapring that not only holds things together, but acts as a shim to establish one of the clearances - and .002" difference in that clearance can significantly affect the life of the rear end.
All of that said, the LSD makes quite a difference.

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