123D COMING TO US!!!

Bruin2010 · 12-23-2007, 03:31 AM

I don't know if someone already posted this but...

I went to a dealership in Phoenix and had asked about the 135i and how many preorders had been made. The dealer told me that next year BMW will be releasing a 123D to the U.S. It will be offered in hatchback form.

Robert · 12-23-2007, 03:40 AM

Sweet.

How many preorder has been made?

d3syd · 12-23-2007, 04:14 AM

I'm surprised that BMW would bring the hatch to the States, seeing that hatches have never done very well there. That was one of the main reasons why the 1 coupe was developed.

imported_MPower · 12-23-2007, 08:48 AM

Sounds very unlikely to me. If the 123d is coming, it certainly won't be coming in hatch form.

Tijuana · 12-23-2007, 08:57 AM

:bs:

Brookside · 12-23-2007, 08:59 AM

It's a very fluid energy market what with new govt standards being passed...
If BMW does bring the 1-er diesel it'd be great- but More of a wish than an immediate reality.

And as for bringing in the hatch...bad timing for a model that's been around for awhile...aside from the fact that the US is notorious for rejecting hatches, the coupe and cab are just getting off the ground in the N/A market....nope.

What we'll much more likely see next in the N/A market is the X1: now zipping around Munich in heavy camo.

Recent pic of the X1 in camo fat suit/WCF

gbent · 12-23-2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tijuana

:bs:

+1

Night1 · 12-23-2007, 09:12 AM

The 1-series hatchback might be the ugliest car I've ever seen in my life. If they bring that turd to the US, it's gonna make my sweet 135 coupe look like a turd. A big, brown turd.....

larryn · 12-23-2007, 09:12 AM

They'll likely sell X series diesels first, see how they sell, then probably the 5 series, maybe the 3.

BMW has to have every car/motor combination approved to be sold in the US (including government crash testing and documentation processes), which costs millions. They would need to be able to recoup those dollars. I don't think a 1 series with a diesel makes good financial success right now, and can't imagine BMW would think so either.

darknightohio · 12-23-2007, 09:18 AM

Dealerships are notorious for spreading false rumors...

From my experience it is better to rely on the forums than a dealer when it comes to future vehicles and specs.

murellus · 12-23-2007, 09:30 AM

wtf is that thing?

it is to my knowledge that the first diesels offered in the US will be a 335d and 535d.

cracka · 12-23-2007, 09:34 AM

This month's Roundel strongly suggests that the 335d will be one of the first diesels the US will see. Good article, check it out if you haven't read it.

Brookside · 12-23-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cracka

This month's Roundel strongly suggests that the 335d will be one of the first diesels the US will see. Good article, check it out if you haven't read it.

When do they say it'll arrive here?

WolfsburgerMitFries · 12-23-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruin2010

It will be offered in hatchback form.

:bs:

investor27 · 12-23-2007, 10:38 AM

I concur that the first diesel will more than likely be the X1 than the 123D hatchback. BMW has gone on records during the 1 series official release and said the US market doesn't perform well with hatchbacks.

I haven't heard anything official about the 335D being bought over, but that is good news indeed. However, I would love to have the 123D over the 335D.

How much of a price difference is the 335D over the 335i coupe in Europe? Is the 335D cheaper or more expensive than the 335i coupe there?

cracka · 12-23-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Brookside

When do they say it'll arrive here?

From "Diesel Delights", Roundel, Dec. 2007:

BMW remains infuriatingly coy about which of their diesel models they plan to bring across in 2008, but our money is on the 335d and the 535d sedan.

cracka · 12-23-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by investor27

I haven't heard anything official about the 335D being bought over, but that is good news indeed. However, I would love to have the 123D over the 335D.

The Roundel article touches on the marketing machine that's driving this decision, and it comes down to the fact that BMW wants to be a pure performance-oriented brand in the USA. The 335d produces 285 horsepower and 427 ft-lbs of torque, so I'd say it fits the bill nicely.

BForbes · 12-23-2007, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cracka

The Roundel article touches on the marketing machine that's driving this decision, and it comes down to the fact that BMW wants to be a pure performance-oriented brand in the USA. The 335d produces 285 horsepower and 427 ft-lbs of torque, so I'd say it fits the bill nicely.

I dont believe it either. There has to a serious reason why they're taking so long to do so.

YYZATC · 12-23-2007, 11:14 AM

BMW has already announced they will be bringing deisels to the NA market in the second half of 2008. I dont see the X1 beeing ready by the second half of 2008 so I dont think it will be the first.

Garrett · 12-23-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by d3syd

I'm surprised that BMW would bring the hatch to the States, seeing that hatches have never done very well there. That was one of the main reasons why the 1 coupe was developed.

??

Escort, Mustang(SVO), Firebird and Camaro didn't do well...?

Thats what missing is the 2-door utility sportscar.. I wish Ford would bring back a re-freshened verson of the Merkur XR4ti for example.

You wouldn't even have to change the body... just put an efficient 310hp engine in it and a european interior.$40k the car will sell all day long!

Nixon · 12-23-2007, 01:48 PM

I have my serious doubts about this news until it gets something more official than a dealer in Pheonix.

But BMW woud be very smart to roll out the 123d at the same time as the rest of their diesels. BMW can use the awesome 45+ mpg of the 123d to drive attention to the entire line of diesel vehicles, then upsell like crazy to 335d's that still get good gas milage, just not 45+ mpg. At the same time, they play the other end of the diesel market by showing how powerful and fast the 335d diesel engine is.

By playing both ends of the market using two different cars, BMW can push massive power/speed at the same time as pushing awesome hybrid-like fuel efficiency. This would be a very smart and effective ad campaign. Highlight the 335d performance and 123d efficiency and tie them together.

Having a high gas milage car, like Toyota has in the Prius, is a strong positive marketing tool that can be used as a draw for the entire brand name.

Oh, and the 123d 3-door hatch does 0-60 in 6.7 seconds. (slightly quicker than the coupe) It also is lighter than the 123d coupe, which is already 144 lb lighter than the 135i. Chip tune it, and this will be one fun little car!

BMWeber · 12-23-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by murellus

it is to my knowledge that the first diesels offered in the US will be a 335d and 535d.

+1

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Bruin2010 New Member 1 Rep 9 Posts Drives: Join Date: Nov 2007 iTrader: (0)	123D COMING TO US!!! I don't know if someone already posted this but... I went to a dealership in Phoenix and had asked about the 135i and how many preorders had been made. The dealer told me that next year BMW will be releasing a 123D to the U.S. It will be offered in hatchback form.
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Robert Major General 417 Rep 6,968 Posts Drives: 135i -> is350 -> Tesla M3 perf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Socal iTrader: (1)	Sweet. How many preorder has been made? __________________ - There's nothing in my pocket other than knives and lint
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d3syd Major 50 Rep 1,474 Posts Drives: 135i MT, LMB, ProNav Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scamander, Tasmania iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 135i Coupe [0.00]	I'm surprised that BMW would bring the hatch to the States, seeing that hatches have never done very well there. That was one of the main reasons why the 1 coupe was developed. __________________ Fun Car: 135i Manual LeMans Blue / Beige Leather / Grey Poplar / pro nav / euro plates. Delivered 24 June 08 Family Car: Land Rover Discovery 4 SDV6 Spare Car: Volvo V70 Sydney Car: MB 420SEL
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imported_MPower Zoom Zoom 38 Rep 1,069 Posts Drives: 2022 M3 6MT Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	Sounds very unlikely to me. If the 123d is coming, it certainly won't be coming in hatch form. __________________ In the garage: 2022 G80 M3 Manual - Portimao Blue
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Brookside Major 244 Rep 1,136 Posts Drives: 2016 228i M-Sport Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: KCMO iTrader: (0)	It's a very fluid energy market what with new govt standards being passed... If BMW does bring the 1-er diesel it'd be great- but More of a wish than an immediate reality. And as for bringing in the hatch...bad timing for a model that's been around for awhile...aside from the fact that the US is notorious for rejecting hatches, the coupe and cab are just getting off the ground in the N/A market....nope. What we'll much more likely see next in the N/A market is the X1: now zipping around Munich in heavy camo. Recent pic of the X1 in camo fat suit/WCF
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Night1 Private First Class 10 Rep 149 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	The 1-series hatchback might be the ugliest car I've ever seen in my life. If they bring that turd to the US, it's gonna make my sweet 135 coupe look like a turd. A big, brown turd.....
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larryn Lieutenant General 2148 Rep 10,176 Posts Drives: '97 332ti, '21 X5 45e, '16 GT4 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle iTrader: (2)	They'll likely sell X series diesels first, see how they sell, then probably the 5 series, maybe the 3. BMW has to have every car/motor combination approved to be sold in the US (including government crash testing and documentation processes), which costs millions. They would need to be able to recoup those dollars. I don't think a 1 series with a diesel makes good financial success right now, and can't imagine BMW would think so either.
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murellus Lieutenant 12 Rep 523 Posts Drives: 22 x3m40i Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: nj/nyc iTrader: (0)	wtf is that thing? it is to my knowledge that the first diesels offered in the US will be a 335d and 535d.
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cracka Captain 26 Rep 780 Posts Drives: VO 1M Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: DFW iTrader: (0)	This month's Roundel strongly suggests that the 335d will be one of the first diesels the US will see. Good article, check it out if you haven't read it.
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investor27 Private First Class 20 Rep 169 Posts Drives: 2023 BMW X3 M40i Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California iTrader: (0)	I concur that the first diesel will more than likely be the X1 than the 123D hatchback. BMW has gone on records during the 1 series official release and said the US market doesn't perform well with hatchbacks. I haven't heard anything official about the 335D being bought over, but that is good news indeed. However, I would love to have the 123D over the 335D. How much of a price difference is the 335D over the 335i coupe in Europe? Is the 335D cheaper or more expensive than the 335i coupe there?
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YYZATC Private 5 Rep 72 Posts Drives: Join Date: Nov 2007 iTrader: (0)	BMW has already announced they will be bringing deisels to the NA market in the second half of 2008. I dont see the X1 beeing ready by the second half of 2008 so I dont think it will be the first.
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Nixon Banned 57 Rep 1,396 Posts Drives: : Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: : iTrader: (0)	I have my serious doubts about this news until it gets something more official than a dealer in Pheonix. But BMW woud be very smart to roll out the 123d at the same time as the rest of their diesels. BMW can use the awesome 45+ mpg of the 123d to drive attention to the entire line of diesel vehicles, then upsell like crazy to 335d's that still get good gas milage, just not 45+ mpg. At the same time, they play the other end of the diesel market by showing how powerful and fast the 335d diesel engine is. By playing both ends of the market using two different cars, BMW can push massive power/speed at the same time as pushing awesome hybrid-like fuel efficiency. This would be a very smart and effective ad campaign. Highlight the 335d performance and 123d efficiency and tie them together. Having a high gas milage car, like Toyota has in the Prius, is a strong positive marketing tool that can be used as a draw for the entire brand name. Oh, and the 123d 3-door hatch does 0-60 in 6.7 seconds. (slightly quicker than the coupe) It also is lighter than the 123d coupe, which is already 144 lb lighter than the 135i. Chip tune it, and this will be one fun little car!
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