Best and correct way to launch for regular driving?

toni8284 · 03-10-2009, 04:22 PM

Hi, I have been driving stick for 1 year now on civic SI. the engagement point is low on that car. ANd i got my 135 two weeks ago, but the engagement point is much higher compare to SI. And on the 135, the throttle is not that responsive... Can anyone show me how to launch the car for regular driving in a correct way?

Should i blip it up around 1200rpm before I let go of the clutch slowly?

Any advise?

themyst · 03-10-2009, 09:47 PM

I have an 06 Civic Si, and I know exactly what you're talking about. Honestly, I give it a lot less gas than the Civic when engaging the clutch, because it doesn't need it. The Civic my average shift point was 4-5k, in this car for local stop-and-go I shift no higher than 3500 in most cases, 2500-3000. Just learn the engagement point and you'll get used to it. I got used to it after a couple of days.

Lester · 03-10-2009, 10:41 PM

You don't have to blip it at all. It should be one syncronous motion of pushing lightly on the throttle while letting the clutch out. After awhile, you don't even have to think about it. On level gound you could let the clutch out without hardly touching the gas. If you blip it, then you are probably slipping the clutch.

scorcherjf · 03-10-2009, 10:47 PM

What I'd do to get used to it is to go to an empty parking lot that's level ground and practice a bit there.

Without giving any gas in 1st gear, just really slowly let up off the clutch until it starts catching. Continue letting up very slowly until it's hooked up and rolling by itself. Then you can press the gas if you want. After you can do this smoothly then adding a little gas when you engage should make it hook up quicker and quicker.

toni8284 · 03-11-2009, 02:59 PM

thanks for all your advise, I will try it on the weekends.

deamon32 · 03-11-2009, 03:33 PM

I drove a 2004 Golf before the 135 and the Golf had a similar clutch where the engagement point was pretty high so I'm used to it.

Dont blip it, just barely touch the gas to maintain 800-1000rpm and then let out the clutch while maintaining that rpm until the clutch is fully released.

///M1 · 03-11-2009, 03:45 PM

How does all that change if you get rid of the CDV?

Had a lightened flywheel on my M5 and Dinan heavy duty clutch on my M5 which was great for launches and acceleration but overall pretty unforgiving. I find the 135i almost way too easy relative to that, and I know some folks have done the clutch delay valve mod. What are the benefits of such? Just not used to having one and wondering how diff the car will feel without it.

deamon32 · 03-11-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M1

How does all that change if you get rid of the CDV?

Had a lightened flywheel on my M5 and Dinan heavy duty clutch on my M5 which was great for launches and acceleration but overall pretty unforgiving. I find the 135i almost way too easy relative to that, and I know some folks have done the clutch delay valve mod. What are the benefits of such? Just not used to having one and wondering how diff the car will feel without it.

Nothing will change, the OP asked about regular slow lauches it sounded like. But the CDV is a must have, Im sure it will help on hard lauches (have not tried this yet) and 1 - 2 shifts as well as rev match downshifts in the higher RPM.

Without the CDV the clutch can only engage at a set rate no matter how fast you let the clutch out. With the CDV mod you have full control of the clutch engagement rate.

new2the3 · 03-11-2009, 11:41 PM

Is it just me or is the 1-2 in this car very notchy and jerky? Everything else I find smooth including taking off from a stop.

993 911 · 03-12-2009, 12:12 AM

No, it certainly is jerky. Got better with a SSK...

jbenington86 · 03-12-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by new2the3

Is it just me or is the 1-2 in this car very notchy and jerky? Everything else I find smooth including taking off from a stop.

mine is a little jerky also but once the car is nice and warm and i get thru the first couple shifts it starts to feel smooth

deamon32 · 03-12-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by new2the3

Is it just me or is the 1-2 in this car very notchy and jerky? Everything else I find smooth including taking off from a stop.

The jerky 1-2 shifts are resolved with the CDV mod. I have had it for about a week and the clutch engages much nicer now.

yandy · 03-12-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by deamon32

The jerky 1-2 shifts are resolved with the CDV mod. I have had it for about a week and the clutch engages much nicer now.

which CDV did you get?

deamon32 · 03-12-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by yandyr

which CDV did you get?

I got the Riss Racing one, but BMS has one for about $10 cheaper and you can just buy an OEM valve for about $10 total and drill it out yourself.
You can also just remove the valve for free but it wont pass a visual inspection that way.

I highly doubt you'll see any real difference no matter what route you go.

03-10-2009, 04:22 PM	#1
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themyst Major General 177 Rep 6,631 Posts Drives: '16 MK7 GTI Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NYC iTrader: (8)	I have an 06 Civic Si, and I know exactly what you're talking about. Honestly, I give it a lot less gas than the Civic when engaging the clutch, because it doesn't need it. The Civic my average shift point was 4-5k, in this car for local stop-and-go I shift no higher than 3500 in most cases, 2500-3000. Just learn the engagement point and you'll get used to it. I got used to it after a couple of days. __________________ E90 LCI N54 6AT
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Lester Brigadier General 295 Rep 3,350 Posts Drives: Join Date: Oct 2007 iTrader: (0)	You don't have to blip it at all. It should be one syncronous motion of pushing lightly on the throttle while letting the clutch out. After awhile, you don't even have to think about it. On level gound you could let the clutch out without hardly touching the gas. If you blip it, then you are probably slipping the clutch.
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scorcherjf Captain 29 Rep 769 Posts Drives: 2008 135i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NJ iTrader: (2) Garage List 2008 135i [0.00]	What I'd do to get used to it is to go to an empty parking lot that's level ground and practice a bit there. Without giving any gas in 1st gear, just really slowly let up off the clutch until it starts catching. Continue letting up very slowly until it's hooked up and rolling by itself. Then you can press the gas if you want. After you can do this smoothly then adding a little gas when you engage should make it hook up quicker and quicker.
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toni8284 Captain 137 Rep 718 Posts Drives: N/A Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Phila, PA iTrader: (5) Garage List 2011 BMW 1M [10.00] 2016 M3 [0.00]	thanks for all your advise, I will try it on the weekends. __________________ 2021 F87 HS M2C 2018 F80 SO M3 (SOLD) 2016 F80 AY M3 (SOLD) 2014 F10 M5 LCI (SOLD) 2011 VO 1M (SOLD)
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deamon32 First Lieutenant 14 Rep 395 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Costa Mesa iTrader: (1)	I drove a 2004 Golf before the 135 and the Golf had a similar clutch where the engagement point was pretty high so I'm used to it. Dont blip it, just barely touch the gas to maintain 800-1000rpm and then let out the clutch while maintaining that rpm until the clutch is fully released.
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