1 Series M Coupe vs RS3 - Specs and Styling Compared

UdubBadger · 12-17-2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BMWAutoXer

Personally I think they both look ugly, so I would save 15K USD and buy an STI or EVO if I wanted killer performance in a goofy looking body. TT-RS on the other hand is win.

Yes I know it's subjective, I just think both companies could have done a better job refining for the release.

I agree thought the front end of the RS3 isn't so bad.

BMW just took a good looking 1er and FAILED at making it an M.

marcel b · 12-17-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NFIDDY5

Tires Front 245/35 R19 93Y XL 235/35 R19
Tires Rear 265/35 R19 98Y XL 225/35 R19

Am I reading this correctly? Does Audi know something that other manufacturer's of AWD platforms don't? Wider wheels up front? I know its not uncommon to have a wider track up front, but wider tires? Never came across anyone that tried that in my EVO / STi days. Interesting concept. Or typo. Either way, the 1M is the better of the two IMHO. But I am a BMW homer.

audi quoted this themselves, the tiressizes are indeed like this.
I remember one Audi produced by a tuner having wider tires in front.
The RS3 has the engine in front of the frontaxle and a quatro based on front wheel drive. All the weight in the front makes the car very front heavy und understeering. A wider front track (compare the figures) seems not to be enough so they put some more rubber in front to feight the weight and understeer.

Technic · 12-17-2010, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LeifW

I like the BMW exterior better than the Audi. I prefer the Audi interior (especially those sport seats). Too bad BMW didn't put the M3 seats in the 1M. However, if BMW didn't include the M3 seats for crash certification costs reasons, then I'm all for that decision.

Leif W.

Fixed.

vividracing · 12-17-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by My E90

The lack of a manual transmission kills the RS3 for me. Love the engine though!!

Totally agree. I don't know why Audi continues to do this on the performance models.

Other thing I noticed was how close the two cars are on HP and torque. Interesting comparison though, thanks for posting that up

Graeme

///M1 · 12-17-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by marcel b

audi quoted this themselves, the tiressizes are indeed like this.
I remember one Audi produced by a tuner having wider tires in front.
The RS3 has the engine in front of the frontaxle and a quatro based on front wheel drive. All the weight in the front makes the car very front heavy und understeering. A wider front track (compare the figures) seems not to be enough so they put some more rubber in front to feight the weight and understeer.

One word - HALDEX.

Like the TT and regular A3 - front bias until slippage or unequal rotation (cornering) detected. Put the meat where it will do the most good. Hence the wider front tires relative to the rear.

Not the first time it's been done: the MTM S2 RSR had 265 in front, 235 in rear:

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/18028-MTM-Audi-S2-RSR.

///M1 · 12-17-2010, 09:57 AM

Audi interior is unmatched, sadly (for the 1 ///M) it shows it's dominance here as well. Biggest issue for me is lack of a manual (and of course we are not getting it here in the US so decision is that much easier).

And why quattro GmbH (makers of RS products) continues the strategy of rolling out an RS platform in the base model's last year of production is beyond me...

bigshug1 · 12-17-2010, 10:02 AM

That Audi is hideous...and I still don't get this fascination with Audi interiors - I've spent plenty of time in A4's and A6's and they didn't blow my skirt up.
This new 1M kicks Audi butt...period.

marcel b · 12-17-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ///M1

One word - HALDEX.
Not the first time it's been done: the MTM S2 RSR had 265 in front, 235 in rear:

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/18028-MTM-Audi-S2-RSR.

that's the one I meant

///M1 · 12-17-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by marcel b

that's the one I meant

You know your Audis

MikesBMW · 12-17-2010, 10:11 AM

the audi looks aweful! interior is decent tho

Pirat335i · 12-17-2010, 10:12 AM

The TT RS is a more direct rival IMHO

marcel b · 12-17-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pirat335i

The TT RS is a more direct rival IMHO

TT is more a 2 Seater and a competitor of the Z4 IMO. Is has backseats, sure, but no way you can sit on them

Yogijet · 12-17-2010, 10:26 AM

Compared with the Audi, the BMW does look a bit mundane (interior and exterior) to be completely honest, fancy chicken wire fascia on the Audi notwithstanding, but also looks more athletic than the Audi. It's less flashy but probably altogether a more cohesive package. All that is secondary for me though. If the comparison in drive between the A3 (2.0T and 3.2)/R32 and the 135i is any indication on a different level of how things will pan out at this level, then the BMW must still and again be the one I'd go home with.

Yogijet · 12-17-2010, 10:28 AM

Oh, one thing tho. The sound that 5-cylinder motor in the Audi makes is to die for.

trfortin69 · 12-17-2010, 10:35 AM

based on pricing I would rather have a stripped S4 w/ sport package and sport diff over these two. It's just as fast and has more standard features.

marcel b · 12-17-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yogijet

Oh, one thing tho. The sound that 5-cylinder motor in the Audi makes is to die for.

Indeed, the sound of the Audi 5cyl Turbo is great (at the least how it sounds in the TTRS). It brings bake memories from the past

Dannydeleted · 12-17-2010, 10:42 AM

Not really a fan of the RS3 as far as appearance...but man...pretty nice comparison in my opinion.

ArabianSensation · 12-17-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NFIDDY5

Tires Front 245/35 R19 93Y XL 235/35 R19
Tires Rear 265/35 R19 98Y XL 225/35 R19

Am I reading this correctly? Does Audi know something that other manufacturer's of AWD platforms don't? Wider wheels up front? I know its not uncommon to have a wider track up front, but wider tires? Never came across anyone that tried that in my EVO / STi days. Interesting concept. Or typo. Either way, the 1M is the better of the two IMHO. But I am a BMW homer.

Is the RS3 a front-biased AWD system? Quattro comes in both front and rear biased versions. If the RS3 is front biased, this would make sense.

ray_futbol · 12-17-2010, 10:50 AM

I hate how Audi's DSG tranny is laid out on the manual mode part.
When you're flooring it and getting sucked into your seat, it just feels weird to push the stick foward to shift up

BMW on the other hand, laid it out correctly

TrojanBMW · 12-17-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ray_futbol

I hate how Audi's DSG tranny is laid out on the manual mode part.
When you're flooring it and getting sucked into your seat, it just feels weird to push the stick foward to shift up

BMW on the other hand, laid if out correctly

I have arguments with my dad about this. He's got an S8 and is convinced that Audi has the right arrangement.

I have yet to convince him that he's dead wrong.

marcel b · 12-17-2010, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TrojanBMW

I have arguments with my dad about this. He's got an S8 and is convinced that Audi has the right arrangement.

I have yet to convince him that he's dead wrong.

If that would be the case, then all race cars have it the wrong way.
It is much more natural to pull when accellerating und to push while braking. (think about your own bodyweight under acceleration and under braking) You can use this as your argument. I am curious to hear the counter arguement why he thinks Audi has the right arrangement....

GobaS · 12-17-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BMWAutoXer

Personally I think they both look ugly, so I would save 15K USD and buy an STI or EVO if I wanted killer performance in a goofy looking body. TT-RS on the other hand is win.

Yes I know it's subjective, I just think both companies could have done a better job refining for the release.

WTF? U must be on crack? This new 1M is beautiful hands down.

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