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      12-12-2012, 08:41 PM   #1
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-4.0 degrees of front camber ??



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I have -4 degrees of front camber apparently...

Can somebody help explain how this happened?

Ok so Had the M3 front lower control arms, tension rods, SouthernBM camber plates and Eiback Pro-kit springs installed yesterday. I asked for -2 degrees front camber. Alignment shop comes back saying the best they could do was -4 degrees front camber, and no lower. How is that even possible? (printout is in degrees and minutes)
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      12-12-2012, 10:46 PM   #2
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Damn, no bueno.

Did they install the plates correctly? I don't think I could even get -4 with my GC camber plates. Something is wrong.
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Sorry to threadjack... but is there any reason to have camber plates if you already have M3 control arms? Don't the control arms provide enough camber?
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i have M3 arms and my vorshlag plates are maxed, and i sit at -4* im thinking they put the camber plates on wrong.
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Sorry to threadjack... but is there any reason to have camber plates if you already have M3 control arms? Don't the control arms provide enough camber?
Nope. With M3 control arms and pins removed most I could get was -1.45.
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      12-13-2012, 07:12 AM   #6
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Thanks for replies guys.

I spoke to Andrew and company @SouthernBM. They say the southernBM camber plates provide two settings - a -1.25* and a -2*. and I've read that the M3 control arms provide up to -1.75*. so in total with both, it seems -1.75+(-2) = -3.75, so pretty close to my -4*. Is this reasoning correct?

We are planning on removing the camber plates next week, leaving the control arms. I may at some point get adjustable camber plates, but not sure as yet. I would be happy would -1.75* as opposed to -4*
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      12-13-2012, 08:07 AM   #7
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I dont get it.
On your posted list there is still 3.5 and they ended up doing 4.0 ?
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      12-13-2012, 09:19 AM   #8
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I dont get it.
On your posted list there is still 3.5 and they ended up doing 4.0 ?
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anyways those are installed wrong...the oval shape should go left and right not front and back
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      12-13-2012, 12:34 PM   #9
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damn! I have vorschlag plate, m3 lca's, kw v2's and the most i could get was -2.6!!
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Thanks for replies guys.

I spoke to Andrew and company @SouthernBM. They say the southernBM camber plates provide two settings - a -1.25* and a -2*. and I've read that the M3 control arms provide up to -1.75*. so in total with both, it seems -1.75+(-2) = -3.75, so pretty close to my -4*. Is this reasoning correct?
No. It doesn't add up like that. Also the M3 arms don't give that much camber by themselfs.

I have the M3 arms and adjustable camber plates nearly maxed out (shock adjusters nearly hitting the metal cut-out on top. With that I get just over -3 camber.

I think there's something not mounted right on your car. I don't know anything about those camber plates, but something isn't right.

I'm thinking at this point that maybe your lower control arms aren't mounted right?
Are your tires rubbing against the shock?
Take a front wheel off and look at the shock....

For reference, here's -3 degrees camber (front) with 255 tires. Look how much less the bottom of the tire stick out compared to the picture you posted.

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No. It doesn't add up like that. Also the M3 arms don't give that much camber by themselfs.

I have the M3 arms and adjustable camber plates nearly maxed out (shock adjusters nearly hitting the metal cut-out on top. With that I get just over -3 camber.
M3 wishbones plus pulled alignment pins made -1.1 camber on my car and most cars. After adding Dinan camber plates, I got -2.0. After replacing the Dinan camber plates with Ground Control Street camber plates, I get -3.2.
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RimasRS the values listed on the printout are in degrees and minutes I believe, so 3*59" is 1 min away from 4*- that is my understanding.

Those pics are taken from the R side of the engine bay, looking towards tthe centre of the engine bay, so the oval shape runs side-side. Is it possible to even mount them incorrectly? Can they be rotated or swapped from side-side to change the resulting camber?

Is it possible to incorrectly mount the wishbones?

Thanlks for the -3* pic, mine is certainly way too far gone.
I did turn the wheel fully last night and there doesn't seem to be rubbing on the shock.
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Those pics are taken from the R side of the engine bay, looking towards tthe centre of the engine bay, so the oval shape runs side-side. Is it possible to even mount them incorrectly? Can they be rotated or swapped from side-side to change the resulting camber?
Yes, they can be mounted incorrectly.
Hard to tell from your pictures though. I've not been able to find any pictures of the plates themselfs online.
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Yes, they can be mounted incorrectly.
Hard to tell from your pictures though. I've not been able to find any pictures of the plates themselfs online.
I'm looking for some photos of an install myself. Can't find any. I am quite certain they're not mounted correctly. -4* is just way past normal. If anyone knows of pics of these plates installed please pass me a link.
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Thanks for replies guys.

I spoke to Andrew and company @SouthernBM. They say the southernBM camber plates provide two settings - a -1.25* and a -2*. and I've read that the M3 control arms provide up to -1.75*. so in total with both, it seems -1.75+(-2) = -3.75, so pretty close to my -4*. Is this reasoning correct?

We are planning on removing the camber plates next week, leaving the control arms. I may at some point get adjustable camber plates, but not sure as yet. I would be happy would -1.75* as opposed to -4*
m3 control arms normally only give 0.75 deg camber, 1.75 is MASSIVE for them, and i have no idea how you'd achieve it?
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m3 control arms normally only give 0.75 deg camber, 1.75 is MASSIVE for them, and i have no idea how you'd achieve it?
Dam this is sounding worse with every post. so 0.75 plus about max 2 from plates = 2.75... and I am at 4. great.
I am just curious, WHY is it not possible for anyone to get past about 3 degrees with M3 arms and adjustable plates? What is the limiting factor? The reason I ask is, I am trying to figure out how I am sitting at 4 and what could be getting damaged/strained or what not.
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We only achieved -3.5 degrees camber on the front of our 1M with KW V3 maxed out(m3 arms are obviously standard on 1M).

Limiting factor is really in the camber plate design, based on mounting points there is only so far it can be slotted.
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      12-14-2012, 05:49 AM   #18
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Thanks newby. so driving around with -4* for a couple of days until its sorted isn't really an issue? (considering arms are installed correctly and I am OK with copping a bit of tire wear)? Spare car is on the southside and I can't get access to it.
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      12-27-2012, 06:42 AM   #19
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Ok so as we all suspected - plates were not fitted correctly - now have -2.2* camber front. much better.
And just to recap, that is with M3 lower control arms, tension rods and SouthernBM camber plates.
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I wish I could run that much camber Teach me your ways.

Sorry I am the 1%.
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I wish I could run that much camber Teach me your ways.

Sorry I am the 1%.
haha. well, in honesty, once the sway bar end link was tightened, there were no noises. so you could potentially run the -4* all day and not cause any drama I think (except tyre wear which you would be prepared for anyway). The combination of M3 lower control arms, tension rods and SouthernBM camber plates (but reversed L-R) seemed to get me -4*. I also have Eibach Pro-kit springs if that makes much of a difference to the front camber?
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      12-28-2012, 06:21 AM   #22
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I'm glad you sorted out everything 4* of camber is way to much just imagine and I think you felt that already braking straight line from higher speeds should be awful
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