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      03-27-2011, 05:43 PM   #67
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      03-27-2011, 05:43 PM   #68
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Audi is nice and so is the BMW. The Audi #'s are phenominal. 0-60 is one thing but whooping the M by 9/10tenths in the 1/4.........thats a life time in drag racing. Based on these figures the M wouldnt reel it in at all! Autobahn winner-Audi.
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      03-27-2011, 06:05 PM   #69
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Good stuff. Thanks for posting. The Dragons Tail is just an hour from me. Damn them for not stopping by!
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      03-27-2011, 06:19 PM   #70
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I test drove the TT-RS (MT) a couple weeks ago and loved it. I don't care if it doesn't teach me how to drive. It was fun, a lot of fun... In the wet, I'd take the Audi anytime because it was so planted and sure. You can have fun in the audi 100% of the time.

Unfortunately, nobody will ever have a 1M in Australia to test drive as they will/are all sold already so can't compare it... I second their comments on the exhaust volume of the Audi, when you just cruising it's loud and droney.

I test drove a Cayman S on the weekend to compare (but it was PDK). Obviously not as quick as TT-RS, but it was much easier to live with day to day. Was as comfortable as the TT-RS but with little noise at everyday cruising. Handling felt better in the Porsche, steering lived up to the hype. Probably just as much boot space in the Porsche as the Audi too.

In Australia the TT-RS goes for $150k (but they will discount more), Cayman S is about $150k too. 1M is $110k, so obviously cheaper and leaves room for mods. The main thing stopping me going for 1M is that the 1series will be obsolete soon and I don't want to 'upgrade' to the same type of car I have now. I think in a year or so it's time to try something new from the Germans :-)
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      03-27-2011, 06:51 PM   #71
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I have 1M on order, but I must admit that the 2.5L 5-cylinder engine concept is great. It works well in Focus RS, and it works even better with TTRS and RS3. And the sound.. ooh the sound is fenomenal...

BMW I6 is often the exhaust note which is nice ; but a 5-cylinder is the engine itself that's music to your ears.

Anyone noticed that, allthough the title says "1M takes down TT RS", the only items where 1M has a real score-advantage over the TT RS, is in the price, and the rear seat space !!

I'm sure both are great machines.
Buth I just wanted RWD to whip out my tail from time to time.
If I'd have the money, I'd have both cars
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      03-27-2011, 06:59 PM   #72
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If they went north of 60k, why didnt they use Cayman S for comparo?
3.6 is a typo for TT-RS..
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      03-27-2011, 07:06 PM   #73
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there were several aspects in which the 1m out-scored the ttrs. check out the spreadsheet they provide.
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I have 1M on order, but I must admit that the 2.5L 5-cylinder engine concept is great. It works well in Focus RS, and it works even better with TTRS and RS3. And the sound.. ooh the sound is fenomenal...

BMW I6 is often the exhaust note which is nice ; but a 5-cylinder is the engine itself that's music to your ears.

Anyone noticed that, allthough the title says "1M takes down TT RS", the only items where 1M has a real score-advantage over the TT RS, is in the price, and the rear seat space !!

I'm sure both are great machines.
Buth I just wanted RWD to whip out my tail from time to time.
If I'd have the money, I'd have both cars
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      03-27-2011, 07:18 PM   #74
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Sign me up for a TTRS, that 3.6s is utter insane. C&D use to make sense but unless you track regularly and drive it to their limits all of them are great cars. The ability of this bench is so deep, only at the limits you can differentiate the particularities. Induced oversteer on local streets is something I will almost never use but 0-60 is something I will most likely use on the on-ramp
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      03-27-2011, 07:43 PM   #75
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Sign me up for a TTRS, that 3.6s is utter insane. C&D use to make sense but unless you track regularly and drive it to their limits all of them are great cars. The ability of this bench is so deep, only at the limits you can differentiate the particularities. Induced oversteer on local streets is something I will almost never use but 0-60 is something I will most likely use on the on-ramp
Must. Read. Full. Article. 3.6 is only achievable with DCT, which is not available in the US.... otherwise, the acceleration seems to be on par with the M.
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      03-27-2011, 07:44 PM   #76
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Sign me up for a TTRS, that 3.6s is utter insane. C&D use to make sense but unless you track regularly and drive it to their limits all of them are great cars. The ability of this bench is so deep, only at the limits you can differentiate the particularities. Induced oversteer on local streets is something I will almost never use but 0-60 is something I will most likely use on the on-ramp
For daily driving, especially for long commutes, comfort becomes a top priority. Not sure about the TTRS here.
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      03-27-2011, 07:44 PM   #77
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Just back from weekend at VIR and the article has me more psyched than ever about the 1M.

.97 Gs and an extraordinary lane change time suggests it will be terrific on the track. And additional power -- for those concerned about its "deficit" relative to the Audi -- is easily obtained.

Plus I really liked the reference to the Z3 M Coupe!

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      03-27-2011, 07:55 PM   #78
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Just back from weekend at VIR and the article has me more psyched than ever about the 1M.

.97 Gs and an extraordinary lane change time suggests it will be terrific on the track. And additional power -- for those concerned about its "deficit" relative to the Audi -- is easily obtained.

Plus I really liked the reference to the Z3 M Coupe!

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+1, I have from the beginning seen the Z3 M Coupe in the 1M
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      03-27-2011, 07:57 PM   #79
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Must. Read. Full. Article. 3.6 is only achievable with DCT, which is not available in the US.... otherwise, the acceleration seems to be on par with the M.
Its actually "DSG" just sayn'
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      03-27-2011, 08:27 PM   #80
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+1, I have from the beginning seen the Z3 M Coupe in the 1M
Yep, I think the 1M will be a worthy successor to my M Coupe (aka MDORPHN).

Of course, I won't part with my M Coupe til the 1M is in my driveway!

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      03-27-2011, 08:29 PM   #81
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      03-27-2011, 08:30 PM   #82
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The write-up by C&D is interesting, but the comparison must be qualified, because a) the TT-RS is $15 grand more than the BMW or Infiniti, and b) the DSG version of the TT-RS is unavailable for the US market?
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      03-27-2011, 08:36 PM   #83
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that TT RS=pure sex
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      03-27-2011, 09:09 PM   #84
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For daily driving, especially for long commutes, comfort becomes a top priority. Not sure about the TTRS here.
The S had electronic suspension. Not sure if RS does.
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      03-27-2011, 09:16 PM   #85
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It is a small car, yes. I'm 6'3" and I know what you mean. The point is, though, that the 1M is very upright. The seats are quite high, even if there is enough headroom. The dashboard is low and therefore you have the feeling of sitting very high.

The interior in a TT is higher, seats are lower and you're in a more sporty position. Of course that lowers visibility but also gives a more tense feeling overall.

In fact, I like the seating position in my MK5 GTI better than in the 1M. The GTI does the same trick with the higher dashboards and the lowered seats, which just feels better.

I want to feel integrated in a car surrounding me, not sitting above on everything. This is, where the 1M doesn't excel in my eyes.
i know what you mean on the difference in the seating position between the VW group cars and BMWs. I feel more comfortable in the BMW though. I think it's the more expansive view, but I'm a bit of a shorty at 5'9.5". As fantastic as the Audi is, especially the sound which is just intoxicating, I'm not surprised that the more involving drive is at the wheel of the bmw. That always seems to be the case.
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Must. Read. Full. Article. 3.6 is only achievable with DCT, which is not available in the US.... otherwise, the acceleration seems to be on par with the M.
I glanced through the important bits. Wasn't really serious about the TT-RS, I rather spend the money on a Cayman S or GT-R, but out of the 3 I'd take TT-RS.
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I glanced through the important bits. Wasn't really serious about the TT-RS, I rather spend the money on a Cayman S or GT-R, but out of the 3 I'd take TT-RS.
I think that one "important bit" to know is that DSG will not be available in the US... considering that DSG plays a huge part in the TT-RS's advantage in acceleration.
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