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This same thing comes again and again to the frame. How do you define "potential" that user have to take out? Just laptime? But we speak about ordinary roadcars now that are designed to road, not track. I take potential of my M3 100% out when go to work every day. Just feel and hear it, having revs and so on. Taking "full potential" has nothing to do with laptimes or speeds you drive in your registered roadcar. It's completely different thing.
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To laugh at the comparison without even driving the 1M is even funnier. and much more credibility reducing.
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I don't define potential, physics do. There is a physical limit for a car and you are either capable of driving close to that limit or not. If a driver has the ability to do so, then he will drive a corner differently on his way to work, than a driver that has no idea what his car can do, how to get it to its limit AND (most important) how to bring it back in one piece. And a driver that cannot get near that limit can simply not judge the car. Because in the end he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. You can buy the bicycle of last years Tour de France winner. Will it make you win the Tour de France? No. You'll need more. But if you start blaming it on the bike, that you didn't win, then you have the typical situation in most car forums. The engineers build 100%. Their testers can drive that and then Joe "limited capability" Bloe comes along and decides, that he will judge their product. Great. Rather... not. If you ever get the chance to sit next to a professional racer, then you'll understand what I mean. Those guys are the benchmark. And if we talk about cars that push the limits of physics, then you either have a trained and capable driver or not. If you need a DSC to survive, then your car is better than you and then you're not using the full potential of your car. Quite simple.
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Good to know!
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I for one was a few days away from purchasing a boxster spyder (I know... but it really is the same concept as the cayman R), when I stumbled onto the first teaser shots of the 1M last fall. I made an about-turn and visited my trusted BMW dealer... made the deposit then and then thought I'd make a more informed decission as info became available on the 1M. the more I learned the more confident I bacame of the 1M's fit to my needs.
My point is that; although these two cars are not necessarily in the same class, they are quite frequently cross-shopped and I see the merit in the comparison. The results are obviously pleasing to me... but I can see how subjective this whole thing is. The take home point that I walked away with is that I spent 35K less and achieved hair-splitting difference in performance but potentially par on driving fun/ involvement. I win. I certainly respect the other guy that sees this otherwise.... my 2 cents. |
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as good as both these cars are I think this was an unfair comparison. however, the R designation for this cayman is a bit over the top and somewhat a disingenuous marketing ploy by porsche. this car only has 9 more hp than the S and weight in at 100 lbs less. so overall not that much of an improvement over the S and certainly not worthy of the R moniker. having said that, the cayman S is a fabulous driving machine but I think a 1M would definitely keep pace around the track. now factor in the cost and I think what this article concluded is not that far fetched. I just wish they had compared it to an S rather to an R, even though this R is really not a genuine R.
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can't argue with that! obviously the corp bean counters had more to say about the development of both cars than the engineers. sorry state of the current corp marketing schemes
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Different tools for different jobs. BMW can well be a daily driver. The Porsche too, if you where single and you don't have to pay for tuitions and mortgages. My point is that an M car is the perfect practical sporty car. For a more dedicated, more expensive and showy car look you need to look somewhere else.
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i like the 1m, and i'm glad the reviews are good, but to call it the clear cut winner here it very biased.
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Man! U are killing us... without the pictures...
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+1 I'd love to have those in the 1M.
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This review reminds me of the Z06 vs 997TT comparos - if you're even considering the Cayman R, you most likely wouldn't even give the 1M a second glance.
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