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06-16-2010, 12:40 PM | #45 | |
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Now if only my 135 had M3 bushings? Solution to FWD & MPG would go something like this. 1.) Build an E30 M3 with drivetrain of a 135, you get a true M3 2.) Build an e2? M1 with drivetrain of a 135, you get a true M1 3.) Offer I4 and I6 gas/diesel with turbo motor options. Now if only I bought that e30 M3 shell when I had a chance. |
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06-16-2010, 12:43 PM | #46 |
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Anyone else think the next gen 1M/M1 will be FWD?
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06-16-2010, 01:00 PM | #48 |
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Please poll @ http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389203
so we don't get stuck with a FWD. |
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06-16-2010, 01:08 PM | #49 |
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http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389203 is alive, 60 to 62 in 4.6 seconds. Keep it comeing, Be-achMW need to get the message.
65, keep it going! We will discuss the other 2 later. |
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06-16-2010, 01:46 PM | #50 |
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I don't care what BMW does for all the eco tree huggers who want to claim to be sporty.
I'll still be buying a 3-series with a straight six for my next few cars. haha
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06-16-2010, 05:41 PM | #52 |
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"Sporty" doesn't mean "sport."
Like when you see a candy bar that says "chocolatey" on the wrapper, it means it doesn't qualify to be labeled as "chocolate" by the FDA. It's chocolate-flavored. So a "sporty" FWD 1 series would be a sport-flavored car. Basically it might have firm seats and a deck wing.
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06-16-2010, 11:56 PM | #53 |
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What people have to understand is that BMW has no choice in producing more efficient cars if it wants to remain a global manufacturer with somewhat competitive pricing.
This is due to the fact that current EU legislation mandates penalties for excess CO2 emissions starting in 2012 ( all the gory details are here: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...001:01:EN:HTML ) As the EU makes up most of BMWs market, they need to remain competitive by averaging 130g/km of CO2 across the whole fleet. They haven't got a hope by just producing efficient Minis and selling them in enough quantities to offset the other BMW model emissions, as competition from other manufacturers will limit this option. Basically the full force of the legislation will be in place by 2015, at that point every 1g/km the fleet average is above 130g/km will cost 95 Euros in fines per vehicle sold in the EU, so if their fleet average is at 170g/km (it's current average), then for every vehicle sold BMW will have to pay 3,800 Euros (about US$4,700). This will likely make them un-competitive relative to other manufacturers who do comply. Consequently BMW will be stupid to commit economic suicide by abandoning their core market to cater only to the relatively few enthusiasts who still want cars with high emissions. Porsche will likely have to go further upmarket in pricing if they can't average with the VW group ($10,000 on a Boxster, $20,000 on a Panamera is likely). Ferrari will be looking at $25,000 or so in fines per car, which their market will absorb. Manufacturers will have to decide whether they will do everything to make their cars more efficient and meet the EU targets, or become a niche manufacturer that only sells low volume high end cars or in markets outside the EU, I believe BMW will pick the former choice. |
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06-17-2010, 08:01 PM | #54 | |
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I'm sure there are plenty of people who only care about the BMW emblem on the hood and will be happy driving a fwd (and gutless) bmw.
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06-17-2010, 11:16 PM | #56 | |
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Before FI, Harely owners through on pipes and a jet kit. Went from quiet 50mpg, to big balls 20%+ power and 40mpg. Ferrari tried similar with 2 liter turbos ( think they were v12s). |
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06-17-2010, 11:34 PM | #57 | |
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And your #s are exaggerated. Why would EU put their own company's out of business? |
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06-17-2010, 11:35 PM | #58 |
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are you talking about the TT V8 in the F40?
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06-17-2010, 11:50 PM | #60 | |
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Ford and GM and any other manufacturer selling cars in Europe will also be subject to the same fines if they don't meet the same legislation for cars sold in Europe. |
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06-17-2010, 11:59 PM | #61 | |
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Audi gets more flashy every day, and that's about it. |
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06-18-2010, 12:08 AM | #62 | |
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06-18-2010, 12:41 AM | #63 | |
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This is why Mercedes and BMW in particular are now scrambling to minimise the damage to their sales. Most other manufacturers are in better shape, this report from Aug 2008 summarises the manufacturer positions: http://www.transportenvironment.org/...nd_out/lid/513 |
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06-18-2010, 04:42 AM | #64 |
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M1 will be a car for enthusiasts!
But it seems that BMW needs some fwd cars in their line up... I'm just curious how many will they sell... For sure they will have a market for these models too.. Everyone will choose the proper bimmer made to achieve a large spectrum of needs |
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06-19-2010, 05:28 PM | #65 |
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123d's motor in an E90 can become the $399/month badgewhore lease special for the 90% of Automatic Transmission and a Sunroof as the only options interchangeable customers in NA. 40 mpg and its still quick enough to not get run over. Problem solved
I want my 350i. Granted our market doesn't mean much, my $41,000 E90 would cost about $90K in Europe. Even though that includes 30-35% to the government to pay for illegals healthcare and fonctionnaires who don't give a shit about anything but their cigarette break and their strike.
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06-19-2010, 06:03 PM | #66 | |
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It will definately happen. The manufacturers have no choice in the matter, and the EU politians don't care, as most of them are anti-car anyway. |
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