M3 killer? RS4 coming to states. E90 M3 sedan definitely needed now!

CC 330i · 08-05-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ward

I guess I'm fortunate that I live somewhere nice enough that I don't have to make compromises in what I drive when the weather's nice just so I can get around when mother nature turns nasty.

When I lived in Mammoth, an RS4 would have come in handy. And I can tell you that Mammoth is a fair F**K "nicer" than the EAST BAY!

vivid · 08-05-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Epyon

BTW the CSL package has been released in the states.

Sorry but it has not. There is a competition pack for the M3 which gives you some of the features of the CSL (Rims, short shifter and others) but no where near all the features... Try calling your dealer and asking for a CSL

Or check this thread I just started at M3Forum.com link here

ward · 08-05-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CC 330i

When I lived in Mammoth, an RS4 would have come in handy. And I can tell you that Mammoth is a fair F**K "nicer" than the EAST BAY!

maybe I should have said the weather is nicer, that would be a more accurate statement

CC 330i · 08-05-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ward

maybe I should have said the weather is nicer, that would be a more accurate statement

I would say that you get less snow that many other parts of the country, yes.

Nikki · 03-03-2006, 01:58 PM

Just an update:

My boyfriend was forwarded an official document from his dealer, Champion Audi today.

MSRP est. $65k-$70k

Official:
0-60: 4.8 s
0-120: 16.6 s

RichReg · 03-03-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki

Just an update:

My boyfriend was forwarded an official document from his dealer, Champion Audi today.

MSRP est. $65k-$70k

Official:
0-60: 4.8 s
0-120: 16.6 s

Interesting.
Well then, I guess we know that the M3 will be at least $60K.
That doesn't leave too much room for moderately priced 335, does it?

aem · 03-03-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vivid

That’s just silly to say, unless you mean comparing the brand new RS4 to the last year of production standard E46 M3 (which C&D did)... So the real question is who long did it take Audi to make something that competes with a standard M3? 10 years, because Audi had nothing that matched the E36 M3 and only just beat the standard E46 M3 in its last year of production.

The E90 M3 will have a V8 pushing more than 400HP and weigh less than the RS4, let’s see who wins that one?

PS Well really the standard M3 is the competitor of the S4 but the M3 CSL (light weight racing version) is the competitor for the RS4 and I bet the CSL would whip the RS4 round a track... Pity the US never got the CSL...

The RS6 is the competitor for the M5 as the S4 is for the M3 and the RS4 is for the M3 CSL... Your comparison would be like comparing an A4 with the 5 series?

Before the CSL came out the M3 was matched with the rs4. S4 was never compared to the M3 (it's a much slower car than the rs4, ran around 7 secs). RS4 was and is still the world's fastest "estate" car....and why wouldnt it be with biturbo and 4wd (previous model)

m666 · 03-03-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed_330i

BTW the CSL package has been released in the states.

I don't think so, if you're talking abou the competition package, it's a little different. As far as I know, BMW has never done the crash testing required for the CSL. Thee verision we got is just a little bit watered down.

Ethirtynine · 03-03-2006, 03:00 PM

current S4 versus E46 M3
current RS4 versus E46 M3 CSL
new RS4 versus E90 M3

gdnyc · 03-03-2006, 03:26 PM

I drove an A4 1.8T Quattro for 7 years. As underpowered as it was (150 hp) it was still a fun car to drive. I added a chip and got it up to 200 hp (claims by tuning company). I do agree that BMW gives a better image. They have positioned their cars perfectly. I think Audi needs to get a better PR department.
Until you get behind the wheel of both cars we are comparing in this thread, you really can't say much. Looking at numbers on a peice of paper won't do much. Wait until both cars come out in the US and then compare.
The RS4 will be a limited edition. I don't think it's fair to compare the RS4 to the M3. The S4 vs. M3, yes.
I wouldn't underestimate Audi. They surpassed Mercedes. Already BMW is playing catch up with Audi as some people posted in this thread in regards to engine choices.

Bimmerista · 03-03-2006, 03:32 PM

Folks, IMHO:

-the new M3 is rumoured to be in the same price range and therefore no longer comparable to the S4 but properly (performance AND Price) to the RS4. The M3 will become much more of a halo car and be rarer

-the 335 will compete against the S4 in both price and performances (as well as the Luxus IS 300, G 35/37 etc.). It will IMHO be sportier from the git go (standard equipment).

Nikki · 03-03-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmerista

Folks, IMHO:

-the new M3 is rumoured to be in the same price range and therefore no longer comparable to the S4 but properly (performance AND Price) to the RS4. The M3 will become much more of a halo car and be rarer

-the 335 will compete against the S4 in both price and performances (as well as the Luxus IS 300, G 35/37 etc.). It will IMHO be sportier from the git go (standard equipment).

Yeah, and anyone who doesn't see that is in denial.

stressdoc · 03-03-2006, 04:15 PM

335si ---> S4
M3 ---> RS4

Too bad BMW won't take on the Avant in the US market with a hot E91.

aem · 03-03-2006, 04:17 PM

When was the M3 ever compare to the S4. It wasn't in Australia?

Make sense to say flagship of A4 vs flagship of 3 series (roughly speaking). That means RS4 vs M3. CSL is still M3 except it's more or a limited edition..

GAMEgates · 03-03-2006, 06:07 PM

Theres a blk/blk RS4 at the local dealer, looks pretty damn hott... but performance wise id take an e46 m3 over it any day

RichReg · 03-03-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmerista

Folks, IMHO:

-the new M3 is rumoured to be in the same price range and therefore no longer comparable to the S4 but properly (performance AND Price) to the RS4. The M3 will become much more of a halo car and be rarer

-the 335 will compete against the S4 in both price and performances (as well as the Luxus IS 300, G 35/37 etc.). It will IMHO be sportier from the git go (standard equipment).

Last time I checked, an S4 starts at $47,120.
Should this imply that a 335 will start at a few thousand below this?
Like around $43K-$45K?

Nikki · 03-03-2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RichReg

Last time I checked, an S4 starts at $47,120.
Should this imply that a 335 will start at a few thousand below this?
Like around $43K-$45K?

That's my guess. I mean that's less than $10k more than the 330i, which I think it's reasonable assuming it will be matched to the S4 in performance and options.

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gdnyc Lieutenant 24 Rep 472 Posts Drives: 2006 330xi Jet Black Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	I drove an A4 1.8T Quattro for 7 years. As underpowered as it was (150 hp) it was still a fun car to drive. I added a chip and got it up to 200 hp (claims by tuning company). I do agree that BMW gives a better image. They have positioned their cars perfectly. I think Audi needs to get a better PR department. Until you get behind the wheel of both cars we are comparing in this thread, you really can't say much. Looking at numbers on a peice of paper won't do much. Wait until both cars come out in the US and then compare. The RS4 will be a limited edition. I don't think it's fair to compare the RS4 to the M3. The S4 vs. M3, yes. I wouldn't underestimate Audi. They surpassed Mercedes. Already BMW is playing catch up with Audi as some people posted in this thread in regards to engine choices. __________________ 2006 330xi BMW, please get rid of the RFT's and give us a spare tire!
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GAMEgates Second Lieutenant 35 Rep 216 Posts Drives: SpaceGray e92 335 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Palm Springs, CA iTrader: (0)	Theres a blk/blk RS4 at the local dealer, looks pretty damn hott... but performance wise id take an e46 m3 over it any day
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