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09-27-2011, 11:33 AM | #46 |
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Would Stage 2 be advised for prolonged (10+ hour) 80-90mph interstate travel, with occasional sprints over 100?
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If it were, you'd just keep staking one on top of the other and you'd get infinite power. 3rd party tuners take a snapshot of a particular version of BMW software, say version 4.3, and make their changes on that version. It's a nice feature to "image" what you have and save that in memory before uploading their version on your car. That allows you to "undo" the tune and revert to what you had before going to the dealer for whatever reason. However, the other way around isn't addressed. Suppose BMW loads software version 4.4 in your car to fix the problem you are complaining about. Now you can't just reload the 3rd party tuner's software when you get home. You'd undo the fix the dealer made. Your tuner software is now useless, and you'll have to wait for your tuner to take a snapshot of version 4.4 and port their changes over, and hopefully give it to you for free. That is the main disadvantage I see with going non OEM. Last edited by MPBK; 09-28-2011 at 04:27 PM.. |
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So does this mean that Cobb most likely has not made their tune based on the "snapshot" of cars with the PPK software?
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The dealer websites I've looked at all xfer to shopbmwusa.com and give you a different price for every dealer.
I've seen as much as a $300 difference in the installed version 2 package. I suppose this reflects their individual markup/costs. |
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09-28-2011, 06:49 PM | #59 | |
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That's not the case. Unless you can change the hardware as well, software can only do so much. Let me give you a simplistic and not very accurate picture, in the hopes of making it easier to see the big picture. Imagine a control panel that's wired to an engine. This panel controls all aspects of the engine operation. This panel is full of buttons, each graduated from -5 to +5. Each button controls one parameter in the engine, say a button might control the fuel/air mixture, another might control the time when spark plugs fire, etc. Often times, the parameters are interrelated, and optimal engine performance depends on (the art of) finding the best position for each knob, given the position of all the other knobs. Say BMW delivers this panel (or the software version of it) with all buttons in the center position (position 0). Suppose you crank the fuel/air mixtrure button a couple of notches (to position +2). You notice that HP increases, but you may also notice that fuel economy suffers. Well, a tuner like Cobb, whose purpose is to maximize HP and couldn't care less about fuel economy, might crank that knob up to +5. They sell that version to you. Now let's say that BMW found some other way to control fuel economy. As a result, they can afford to turn that button up to position +2. They sell that new version as the PPK. Your question is: if Cobb took this new BMW setting (or +2), can they now crank it up to +7? There is no +7. We're not changing hardware, remember? Even if they revised their version, Cobb's software would probably deliver less of an increment over the BMW+PPK version, because they have already maxed out in their previous version. Unless, of course, Cobb finds that they didn't really max out. That's a different story. Hope this helps. |
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All I was getting at is this: You mentioned that tuners use a snapshot of the engine software to base their tunes. So, like in your example, if you get a software update from the dealership that's a version higher, then, according to you, your tune may be useless because "you can't just reload the 3rd party tuner's software when you get home. You'd undo the fix the dealer made. Your tuner software is now useless, and you'll have to wait for your tuner to take a snapshot of version 4.4 and port their changes over." So my question is simply will Cobb's tune work for cars with the PPK software version? Or will we, as you put it, have to wait for the tuner (i.e. Cobb) to get a snapshot of this version of software? Notice I am not asking if its possible to combine the power of the PPK and the tune. Doesn't work like that, got it.
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Say you have the Cobb software. You go in for a HPFV issue. They download new software, overriding your Cobb. You'd think... no problems, I'll just go home and download the Cobb software again. If you did that, you'd lose the software changes for the new HPFV they installed, which could render the valve worse than before. Realizing that, you don't want to reinstall the Cobb software. That's why I say it's useless... not that you can't. You won't want to. You'll want to wait for Cobb to take a new snapshot of the BMW software with the HPFV fix, and then migrate their performance maps onto it. Capiche? |
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If you cared to pay attention to what I said, you'd be able to easily make a conclusion.
I'll let others address your ever changing question. |
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