E90 Performance after CIP 20 upgrade

magamaga · 02-02-2006, 04:27 PM

I don't know if it's only me but I'd like to find out if others are noticing what I've noticed on my E90 after getting the CIP 20 software upgrade on my car.
I've noticed that now when step on it the car is less aggressive . At When the pedal is to the metal, and shifting between 2nd and 3rd and 3rd and 4th I've noticed that the pull is not the same as before I took the car in for service. Does anyone have any *real and reasonable* explanation for this? Is it just me?

jcoo085 · 02-02-2006, 05:14 PM

Performance wise, my car feels the same. I don't know what version I had before, but I'm guessing it was the very first version that shipped with the E90's. However, since having the car updated I have noticed that the transmission is smoother and DS and M modes seem to shift a bit quicker.

That said, I was reading a post over at E60.net and one member noted that his drag times were higher by about 0.5 sec (IIRC). So maybe it's possible.

Znod · 02-02-2006, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by magamaga

I don't know if it's only me but I'd like to find out if others are noticing what I've noticed on my E90 after getting the CIP 20 software upgrade on my car.
I've noticed that now when step on it the car is less aggressive . At When the pedal is to the metal, and shifting between 2nd and 3rd and 3rd and 4th I've noticed that the pull is not the same as before I took the car in for service. Does anyone have any *real and reasonable* explanation for this? Is it just me?

Hi Magamaga:

I don't think it is your imagination. The shift from 1-2 also is affected. You may want to check this thread from e60.net out.

Best,

Znod

jcoo085 · 02-02-2006, 07:45 PM

Wow. News travels fast. Welcome Znod. Any chance we can interest you in a 3 series?

EBMCS03 · 02-02-2006, 09:49 PM

Hahaha Dang Znod! You're here already? Sooo fast!

Armen52 · 02-02-2006, 11:38 PM

Sheesh, when did this CIP 20 come out? I hope the one I got 2-3 months ago wasn't it.

I sorta think my car's been a bit more sluggish but who knows it could be in my head.

David328M-Sport · 02-02-2006, 11:38 PM

Funny (interesting) thread. Some 20 upgraders post of better performance in as much as smoother step gear changes etc. Nothing about reduced accelleration.

Did your dealer tell you exactly what they have done with the upgrade?

I hope you sort out this problem

All the best

lux.sh · 02-02-2006, 11:50 PM

Znod's anaylsis is scaring me. No CIP 20 for me I guess.

speedyj88 · 02-03-2006, 12:19 AM

Ech, I just got my car back tonight from my CIP20 update. I was driving an ES330 loaner for 2 days, so my car feels too fast to handle right now, haha. I'll give it a good run tomorrow and see how it feels.

cobradac · 02-03-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by EBMCS03

Hahaha Dang Znod! You're here already? Sooo fast!

Yea, I pointed him over here as I did not feel it was my place to jump in as I do not have the new software yet and have no data to contribute to the discussion other than others experience. Better to get from horses....mouth

Oz · 02-03-2006, 07:48 AM

I'm back at USA and going to my dealer today to get a day for an update. I hope I won't be having any future software problems...

Znod · 02-03-2006, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jcoo085

Wow. News travels fast. Welcome Znod. Any chance we can interest you in a 3 series?

I actually am thinking of the new M3. I talk about an M5, but I like V-8's. The new M3 should be great fun. Would that count?

Znod · 02-03-2006, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by EBMCS03

Hahaha Dang Znod! You're here already? Sooo fast!

Yep, as he notes above, cd told me about the thread.

Znod · 02-03-2006, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by magamaga

Thanks, znod for the link and insight into what you've been experiencing. As odd as it is I started telling my wife here in bed about the post i submitted and the fact that you've seen the same. She said,'that's weird because when i drove the car on Sunday I also felt that Ihad to step on it to get it to go like before. It's not as sharp as before. ' Bmw called tonight to hear my opinion on my experience and I told them what i've been experiencing . They said to call the service department tomorrow and tell them.

Has anyone else here had this situation ? Do I have to drive like a maniac for the rest of the week to have this car learn that I drive fast and want it accelerate fast when I press the pedal half way down?

You are very welcome. I have been driving manically; no luck so far. How did BMW know to call you? I have a service appointment scheduled.

Znod · 02-03-2006, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lux.sh

Znod's anaylsis is scaring me. No CIP 20 for me I guess.

There is no hurry unless you have a significant problem. I recommend waiting for a while.

jcoo085 · 02-03-2006, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Znod

I actually am thinking of the new M3. I talk about an M5, but I like V-8's. The new M3 should be great fun. Would that count?

Most certainly! We even have a whole section dedicated to the M3.

RBBMWE46M3 · 02-03-2006, 09:33 AM

All this talk about the automatics and the software upgrade, I have a sport...I get my car back today...wonder how it will affect my preformance

will1z · 02-03-2006, 10:21 AM

I have an April/05 build 325i and just had all of the updates installed last week. Everything has been great, especially the new bluetooth volume levels.

However, it seems that when I am flooring it and shift to 2nd or 3rd the car hesitates for a second then goes. As in the rpm just slowly climbs and then takes off. It is quite annoying.

Is that what others are seeing?

Will

will1z · 02-03-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by magamaga

BMW had called before to ask about my experience with Momemtum BMW. Last night the "BMW" that called was the Momemtum BMW (Houston Dealership) I bought my car at to ask about my experience. I guess they are checking to see for themselves about my experience. BMW NA must keep them on their toes about customer satisfaction and their relationship with the *Boss*.

You must always rate a 5 on the scale of 1 to 5. If not you will experience horrible service at your service center, since the rating you give is directly reported to them.

Even if they total your car, rate it 5.

Will

shuzmaker · 02-03-2006, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magamaga

I don't know if it's only me but I'd like to find out if others are noticing what I've noticed on my E90 after getting the CIP 20 software upgrade on my car.
I've noticed that now when step on it the car is less aggressive . At When the pedal is to the metal, and shifting between 2nd and 3rd and 3rd and 4th I've noticed that the pull is not the same as before I took the car in for service. Does anyone have any *real and reasonable* explanation for this? Is it just me?

Had mine done in November.
Have the same issue.
Thought it was just me.
Hmmm...

Oz · 02-03-2006, 03:55 PM

I just got my appointment for Feb 13th..I will keep everyone updated on my performances in 11 days

They didn't specifically told me whats on the update but it will take them just one day.

magamaga · 02-03-2006, 04:16 PM

Now, this sounds fishy. If people who drive 5 series and others who drive 3 series get the same update and report the same performance degradation, shouldn't BMW know about this by now. Do we need a recall?

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jcoo085 Lieutenant 43 Rep 463 Posts Drives: E90 320d Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stuttgart, Germany iTrader: (0) Garage List 2005 320d [0.00]	Performance wise, my car feels the same. I don't know what version I had before, but I'm guessing it was the very first version that shipped with the E90's. However, since having the car updated I have noticed that the transmission is smoother and DS and M modes seem to shift a bit quicker. That said, I was reading a post over at E60.net and one member noted that his drag times were higher by about 0.5 sec (IIRC). So maybe it's possible. __________________ E90 320d - Black Ext/Fluid Grey Int \| Steptronic \| Business Navigation \| PDC \| Sunroof \| Alarm Exterior Pictures \| Interior Pictures \| Video
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