[JB 330ci]

Originally Posted by no_exit

...he would not have gotten a ticket. It's amazing how such a small action can make such a big difference.

Yep, a small action would of resulted in no ticket. Blinkers are on cars for a reason.

[hotsand5]

How do you think we motorcyclists feel??? People don't just change lanes w/o blinkers, but seems as if they don't complete a full wheel lock while changing lanes they think they are doing something wrong. Getting side-swiped while you are in a car "cage" might not be fatal, but if somebody in a car does it while you are on your bike, then...well, you turn into mashed potatoes. I don't mind speeding, but only on the highways in the left lane, never on residential roads. Also, if you are speeding, it does not mean that you own the left lane. If I am behind you and want to go faster still, then get the hell outta the way, and get back in later!

[N1]

its impossible to drive and dont make any mistake, the blinker is to signal a change in direction. The issue is that we shall not do anything without previous confirmation that we arent putting traffic in risk. Thats the real cause and the cop evaluate the situation that way and gave a legal ticket. Its normal not for speeding because he didnt have any real proof!!!! He tought he was over the speed limit but without radar bling thats not reasonable to charge a driver. Ok he was over but exactly at what speed? He was nice because he couldnt stand the charge.
I agree with RichReg because the police action its not intelligent and they catch normal people that goes to his jobs, giving tickets after tickets, as if we are all idiots. Each driver should have a file where they should put everything they have against him in order to understand if the driver is or is it not a menace to society. There we go not making any harm and driving carefully and the police discovered that we have a light missing, a ticket, its a cold shower, with no respect what so ever to the driver and good drivers shouldnt have to pay because of the negligent ones. The question is of course who is a good driver and the cop makes no exceptions.
We dont have any chance and with a greater number of drivers, now is looking everywhere 360º degrees trying to be unseen and no faults, because they charge against everybody. They will destroy pleasure of driving and they will put computers in the car so that the driver cant make anything lol. Lets enjoy while we can?

[akhbhaat]

I can tolerate being cut off or having somebody attempt to squeeze in front of me if they use their signal indicator prior to attempting the lane change. 9 times out of 10, I will let them in. The only times I won't do this are when I have already witnessed the driver in question driving like a reckless idiot (see below for an example), or when I'm held up in a line of cars in a slow-moving passing lane and somebody flies past me on the right and tries to force their way in without waiting in line with the rest of us. Granted, blocking aggressive drivers is potentially dangerous, but there's little else anybody can do...unfortunately, law enforcement in most states is surprisingly lax regarding most any traffic law save speeding.

Unlike most of my ignorant, poorly trained countrymen, I'm quite the stickler for lane discipline and road courtesy. Drive properly around me and I will reward you in kind. Stick around aimlessly in the left lane without making an effort to move over when I am trying to pass, and you'd better have auto-dimming mirrors that work.

Of course, if I'm cut off without a signal, there's really nothing I can do about it at the given moment (without being reckless myself), so I won't become visibly upset or let my anger control my behavior - but I will take note of the offender's vehicle so that I can intentionally impede their progress further down the road if the opportunity permits.

I have simple solution to limiting the number of drivers and vehicles on the road: don't be so quick to give out licenses and impose harsh income-relative taxes and penalties on repeatedly reckless or incompetent drivers ! Driving is (or ought to be) a privilege, not a right.

[NaTuReB0Y]

accepting one's action/responsibility is the first step to recovery....

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by NaTuReB0Y

accepting one's action/responsibility is the first step to recovery....

Agreed.

[BMW0]

Originally Posted by NaTuReB0Y

accepting one's action/responsibility is the first step to recovery....

You sound like you've been there before Natureboy.

[NaTuReB0Y]

Originally Posted by BMW0

You sound like you've been there before Natureboy.

just giving free advice.......

[buschj40]

I live in southern California and drive 80-100mph in the FAST LANE everyday. When my family is in the car I drive slower and stay out of the FAST LANE.

Here are the rules:

Rule 1 – The left lane is FAST LANE.
Rule 2 – If someone comes up behind you in the FAST LANE, move over!
Rule 3 – If you don’t see me approaching I get close enough to let you know I’m there.
Rule 4 – If you still don’t move over, you get passed on the right and cutoff (NO SIGNAL)

I don’t care if you don’t agree because that’s the way I have driven for 26 years. I educate people everyday that they can’t just camp out in the FAST LANE. I assure you if you come up behind a black 325 with a (D) Deutschland sticker in the rear window, I will happily move over and let you enjoy your day.

Call me names, but if you travel the following freeways you have been warned:

5 – 91 – 405 – 73 – 241 – 261 – 105 - 55
605 – 210 – 57 – 60 – 10 – 15 – 101 - 40

Autobahn drivers do not need to be warned because they already know the rules! See you in July.

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by buschj40

Rule 1 – The left lane is FAST LANE.
Rule 2 – If someone comes up behind you in the FAST LANE, move over!
Rule 3 – If you don’t see me approaching I get close enough to let you know I’m there.
Rule 4 – If you still don’t move over, you get passed on the right and cutoff (NO SIGNAL)

I agree with these rules. if you are going slow in fast lane, MOVE the F over.
I don't care if im going 100mph, if someone still tailgates me at that speed, that means he is in a hurry and I better move over.

[JO3]

Actually in California, and esspecially southern California, there is no blanket "slower traffic keep left" law. You see signs here and there for it, but there is no general law.

This is because the infrastructure does not support this kind of rule. If all slow traffic were to move to the right, because of the way our highways were designed, traffic would grind to a halt. So really, the left lane isn't the fast lane.

I was surprised when i found this out, because I'm a firm believer in the lefter-is-faster rule. But hey, you learn something new every day.

[JO3]

Originally Posted by RichReg

The point is: The bus driver is likely half asleep from driving so much & should not be obstructing traffic in the left lane, IF there are others who wish to go faster. Just because Haiko wants to move at a quicker pace does not mean that he is driving like an idiot.

My reply was more to the person who posted "You drive a BMW from GERMANY, so if you don't drive like you are on the autobahn, you are causing traffic!!!"

But, if you have to speed up to 85 in order to pass the bus, would the bus really be going that slowly? Hardly slow enough to be obstructing traffic, eh?

[alpinewhite3]

nobody get offended...just a joke.

[N1]

No need to cutoff and obviously no signal either. To a driver who has no common sense and he is on the fast lane, passing lane, without any kind of reaction when i show him that i need to pass, i dont see no reason to treat him as a first driver nor the need of a cutoff and the manoeuvre could be perfect without the cutoff. If we proceed like the other driver we become equal and as he his slower he his protected by the common judgement which is RETARDED, no doubt about that. Here we have exactly the same problem, several think the left lane is for their exclusive ride at the speed they want and they even look at the mirrors because they are fine the others dont exist and another problem which we cannot correct, they accelerate when they see another driver passing with absolutely disregard to the traffic. Normally i pass very fast by the right lane without any kind of communication with that people, they are protected by the average drivers, negligent as well. And their number is increasing, they dont know how to drive!

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by e90rocks

I like the DIY put together by Lux. How'd you do that?

Ulead GIF animator. 5 min job.

[LEDZEP]

Originally Posted by buschj40

Rule 3 – If you don’t see me approaching I get close enough to let you know I’m there.
Rule 4 – If you still don’t move over, you get passed on the right and cutoff (NO SIGNAL)

I don’t care if you don’t agree because that’s the way I have driven for 26 years. I educate people everyday that they can’t just camp out in the FAST LANE. I assure you if you come up behind a black 325 with a (D) Deutschland sticker in the rear window, I will happily move over and let you enjoy your day.

Within reason my friend. In general I agree, and I will happily let the faster motorist by to be on his way. Here is what you can do to ensure that I will block you and impede your progress:

1. Zoom up on me like a bat out of hell and then ride so close I can't see your front bumper. (yeah, I know you're there so you don't need to put us both in a dangerous position to show me your frustration).
2. When it is apparent that I am passing a motorist in the right lane, don't flash your high beams at me, honk, or sway back and forth in the lane like you have to pee or something. I know you're there, and if you stop acting like an asshole I will move over as soon as I am safely past the car in the right lane.
3. EVER, at any time have passed me like you are in a big hurry and then get in front of me and slow down (Virginia drivers, are you listening?). You have now forfieted your right to pass me again unless I wish you to.

If I'm in the left lane it is because I'm passing someone. That someone may be 20 car lengths ahead of me, but I know I'm going faster (see "forward thinking" previously described in this thread) and I don't want to get boxed in behind him. I will increase my speed somewhat if there is traffic behind me in the left lane, but I will not go 100 just because you want to go 100.

If you display the behavior in 1-3 above, be prepared for me to find a slow vehicle in the right lane and match his speed - for a really really long time!

[lux.sh]

What people must realize...

try to understand their situation. what if the person tail-gating you was in a hurry?
he might look like a 16yr old kid in a racing wanna be car trying to speed, but maybe real story is that he was in his friend's car, and headed towards hospital where his mom was dying?

I mean just about ANYTHING is possible in this world. I realized this when I was in a hurry. My girlfriend got in an accident(4 cars totalled) and I was speeding my ass off to get to the scene to see if everything was ok. On the way to the scene, so many damn slow cars that WON'T FRIGGING move. And when I found some room and pass them by using the right lane, they looked at me like "I ain't moving from this lane, because im an a$$hole, and I don't care about you".

Look at that situation and try to do a reality check. Who seems like an asshole?
the guy tailgating you or the moron not letting you pass just because he was tailgating you?

Left lane in general, is for fast lane. I don't care if its written in law or not, its common sense.
If you are going 55mph in 55mph zone, stay in the goddamn right lane. Why bother in left lane?

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

What people must realize...

try to understand their situation. what if the person tail-gating you was in a hurry?
he might look like a 16yr old kid in a racing wanna be car trying to speed, but maybe real story is that he was in his friend's car, and headed towards hospital where his mom was dying?

I mean just about ANYTHING is possible in this world. I realized this when I was in a hurry. My girlfriend got in an accident(4 cars totalled) and I was speeding my ass off to get to the scene to see if everything was ok. On the way to the scene, so many damn slow cars that WON'T FRIGGING move. And when I found some room and pass them by using the right lane, they looked at me like "I ain't moving from this lane, because im an a$$hole, and I don't care about you".

Look at that situation and try to do a reality check. Who seems like an asshole?
the guy tailgating you or the moron not letting you pass just because he was tailgating you?

Left lane in general, is for fast lane. I don't care if its written in law or not, its common sense.
If you are going 55mph in 55mph zone, stay in the goddamn right lane. Why bother in left lane?

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by shimshimhada

So, if he DID signal...then...

...then, depending on the cop's mood, not what's wrong or right, Haiko MIGHT have just gotten a warning (slim chance) OR the cop would have found another substitution ticket OR Haiko would have been fined for speeding.

Not signaling excuse is just the cop's way to try to make you feel better.

[LEDZEP]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

Look at that situation and try to do a reality check. Who seems like an asshole?
the guy tailgating you or the moron not letting you pass just because he was tailgating you?

Left lane in general, is for fast lane. I don't care if its written in law or not, its common sense.
If you are going 55mph in 55mph zone, stay in the goddamn right lane. Why bother in left lane?

I'm not dismissing this, and don't get me wrong - I'm one of the people who will move over. But the % of people in some sort of an emergency situation has to be .00000001% compared to the other "get out of my way" asswipes. In fact, I submit that the latter has ruined it for the few legits by the light flashing and weaving around in a panic just so they don't miss Judge Judy or something.

If I'm passing traffic at 75 mph and you are behind me and want to go 85 mph... be patient. There is no reason I have to go 85 or pull into the slow lane behind someone going 70 just to please you.

[N1]

and when they move steadily by the book, they shorten distances and when one of them brakes, he was shaving or looking to the interior of other cars bang they crash in sequence. They dont know WHY oh WHYYYYYY !!!!!! lol Its not get out of the way, is you are right in the middle of the lane and you dont move so the others have to slow and double the precautions because one of these in front is dangerous, we never know what they will do besides passing is a manoeuvre that begins in the right than left lane and after right again. Not stopped in the middle blocking the way and pretending that the law is them way. I was trying to get unseen.

[Lost Rider]

Originally Posted by N1

and when they move steadily by the book, they shorten distances and when one of them brakes, he was shaving or looking to the interior of other cars bang they crash in sequence. They dont know WHY oh WHYYYYYY !!!!!! lol Its not get out of the way, is you are right in the middle of the lane and you dont move so the others have to slow and double the precautions because one of these in front is dangerous, we never know what they will do besides passing is a manoeuvre that begins in the right than left lane and after right again. Not stopped in the middle blocking the way and pretending that the law is them way. I was trying to get unseen.

N1, I agree completly.
Not quite sure what you mean, but I agree.