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12-02-2011, 06:15 PM | #89 | |
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So tires made up for 35horsepower, 69overboosted torque, LSD, etc? 1.3 seconds is huge in the racing world. At SoCal tracks here 1-2 seconds determines times between an M3 and and M3 that has spent 20k in upgrades.
I stand by my original statement that even with a tune, the modded 135i would be faster on a track due to superior aftermarket parts compared to stock 1M parts. |
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Correct, 1.3 seconds is huge in the RACING world. Where everyone is on racing tires. Comparing times from cars with street tires to r-comps is silly.
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I would agree with you if his car had a tune or even LSD. But it didn't. So it was down 35hp, 69 torque, LSD, other miscellaneous bits? Isn't that a big advantage in the 1M's favor as much as having R compounds in the 135i's favor?
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12-02-2011, 08:38 PM | #94 |
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Depends on the track.
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From R compounds vs PS2s? Well more than 1.3 seconds on a 1:30 track.
Grass Roots Motorsports did a test recently comparing an R compound to an "extreme performance" SCCA cheater "street tire" (much faster than a PS2 on track) and found a 1.8 second difference between them on a 1 minute lap. On a 50% longer course you'd easily expect a 2-3 second difference between an R compound and a PS2.
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Ain't that a bitch (I mean tires)
What were we talking again? Apples to oranges, driven by who-knows-who in neverland! That's real scientific contribution! |
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No it wasn't vettel but it was a pro driver driving both cars on the same track on the same day. Can't get more objective than that for what it's worth!
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Not worth much considering the tire difference.
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Pixel blue, what they are saying is that all the extra power, torque, and LSDs in the world won't help you go faster once you have reached the limit of grip of the tire, and there's such a difference in grip between an R compound and a street compound tire to negate any other 'tuning' effect between two 1 series with almost the same engine and same driver... And probably the better the driver the more he will be able to exploit the extra grip in the tires.
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The interior?? Please. It is the same leather that is used in the 135i. They just had to switch the thread that was being ran through the machine. I guarantee that the interior was easy. At any interior shop, aside from restitching the seats, all the other pieces could be knocked out in a day once the materials are in hand by hand. Exhaust isn't hard to do, and personally it is a bit quite. It is high flowing though. Bolting parts on is not hard. Any shop can do it so I don't see how that argument comes into play. Front subframe is stock 135i. The rear subframe is an M3 subframe that will bolt into any 135/335. Transmission is the same manual transmission from any N55 6 speed 135/335. They had to change the valve cover??? That one must have been a real brain teaser... They even put the powered by M sticker on backwards. It does not have a new diff and brakes, these were pulled straight off the M3 assembly line. The ECU is programming is near identical to the z4is and 335is. The M button simply changed the drive by wire parameters, giving more throttle input for the same amount of foot input. Started back on the e46 m3 and nothing that a Sprint Booster can't match on a 135. Where is the TREMENDOUS amount of work? Aside from the new exhaust and lightweight flywheel, NOTHING mechanical had to be designed. |
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If the M is SO purpose built, why would they install a plastic charge pipe that pops off...REAL purpose built. When was the last time you ever heard of an M car popping parts off the engine? Lol, solid argument. "I saw a 135 that looked modded but have no idea what mods it had and the 1M beat it. Therefore, all modded 135s must be slower than 1Ms due to my experience." How thick headed are you? What do you think the 1M's tune is? It is a flash/upload/coding. BMW took the stock n54 tune, modified it and then flashed the 1M's ecu after testing and new parameters. The same thing that GIAC can do. Piggybacks can deliver linear power, where they usually fall is on off throttle response situations as well as stop and go. You are speaking out of the wrong end. If you don't know, don't spread BS. BUT, BUT, BUT it's a 1M! Doesn't matter, the 1M should always win. It was hand crafted and forged exclusively at M. |
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12-04-2011, 01:37 PM | #104 |
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Which one is not like the other (valve covers)?
I will say it again, I love the 1M, not for it's M badge but for its performance and what it offers. All of you with your head up your you know what because it has an M badge are ridiculous. You'd think that if it was "purpose built' at M, that they would know how to put the valve cover badge on the right way, since they have been doing it that way since the beginning. s14 s38 s52 s50b32 N54 Last edited by bimmer ///man; 12-04-2011 at 01:58 PM.. |
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havent read most of this .. skimmed through a few posts. you guys with the 135's need to stop be happy with the car you have and give up on this battle because at the end of the day you still have a 135 (which is an amazing car but not quite a 1M.)
Point #1 -- the 1M is a prestigious car solely on the fact that there is a limited number. Point #2 -- are you guys really going to argue and say that a 135 is faster with after market parts and a tune. -- come on now. i can go out buy a honda civic for 5 grand put in 40k worth of work and have a car that can take on your the 135 and 1M all day on the track in a straight line. Point #3 -- You guys could also start up the argument that an e9x m3 isn't worth it ! ... you know i could just go buy myself a used 335 change suspension, get lsd, tune it, change the tires and then I can beat an m3 also. but at the end of the day it will still be a 335 or a 135 or a honda civic (not saying any of those are bad cars! but just saying they aren't M worthy) Done with my little rant. Oh and for the record. I have owned an e92 m3 -- an n54 135i and -- now awaiting the 1M. On a side note. when i had both the m3 and the 135 -- i said plenty of times .. man if only i could combine these two cars it would be the ideal car. ... GUESS BMW HEARD ME Best, Chris |
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Now the 135 is a civic? LOL, you're right.
Point #4 -- The M3 guys can say the same thing what M did to the 1M. Sure you can start with a 135, add a tune, better brakes, etc but at the end of the day it's still just a 1 series. |
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12-04-2011, 02:06 PM | #107 |
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Never said the 135 is a civic .. my point is you can mod just about any car to beat any other GRANTED you have the funds.
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Not worth responding because you have no response? You are displaying all the classic signatures of someone that has lost an argument but won't concede. Prove me wrong since I am so mistaken...unless you can't. |
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12-04-2011, 02:12 PM | #109 | |
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Just look at the car aesthetically does it look like a normal 1 series? Just in that aspect something was done to differentiate and make it an M-car. |
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This reminds me of the pissing contest from the Roadfly forums several years ago when a few of the 3.0L Z3 drivers were bashing the S54 M Roadster guys (like me). FWIW my thoughts on the matter were that I only buy M cars because BMW purposely builds them to be special. When people mention the flaws in the 1M (like the HPFP and charge pipe issues), I remind them that the S52 and S54 M Roadsters were not without flaws either (engines blowing up, rear differential weld points tearing from the torque, the semi trailing arm rear suspension, etc).
I can't fault anyone for doing tasteful mods to their car, nor can I fault those lucky few of us that own M cars for holding our heads a little higher when describing our ride. What bugs me is when magazines bait people into the same old "it's not an M" debate with comparos like these. The same thing happens with Audi S and RS, AMG, and every other marque that builds a specialty line. It's a divisive, sycophantic, and ultimately pointless tactic designed to sell magazines to the widest demographic (1 series and 1M owners combined). |
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