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      04-07-2010, 05:18 PM   #89
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Yeah. Can we all now agree we are looking at the M1? Besides Scott confirming as much, there are too many M elements to argue otherwise.
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Besides what Scott has said, I can't believe the amount of people who think BMW would go to all the trouble of widening the fenders/track just for an IS model. IS model as someone has already mentioned is just a 335i with performance pack!

Not major changes like this mule.

And everyone asking where the cosmetic M things are... come on... it's a test mule! They are trying to hide anything resembling M things (ie- fenders, front bumper, rear bumper)... Why go to the trouble of hiding those things, only to show obvious M cosmetic bits on the top of the car... sigh...

It's an M
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360 is probably a safe bet. Right smack between stock and an M3. Given it's lighter than an M3, they probably won't go much higher than that. Even that puts it VERY close to the Power/weight of an E92 M3 coupe.
The actual power to weight if the estimated weight and power is correct is roughly 235~240hp/ton, this is only 15~20hp/ton down on what you get with the M3 but it will have more Nm/ton than the M3 so all things considered I reckon the performance will be very close indeed.

There is little doubt that overall these two cars (1M and M3) are catering for different needs with the M3 aimed more towards the better allrounder as always while the smaller, lighter 1M being the more focused driver's car that will be better suited to the track and dynamic driving.

A perfect addition to the M family.
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Besides what Scott has said, I can't believe the amount of people who think BMW would go to all the trouble of widening the fenders/track just for an IS model. IS model as someone has already mentioned is just a 335i with performance pack!

Not major changes like this mule.

And everyone asking where the cosmetic M things are... come on... it's a test mule! They are trying to hide anything resembling M things (ie- fenders, front bumper, rear bumper)... Why go to the trouble of hiding those things, only to show obvious M cosmetic bits on the top of the car... sigh...

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It's an M for sure. Redesigning the fenders and wider tyres is something typical of an M car, not an IS model. Of course they are trying to hide as much as possible, I'm sure we will see the quad exhausts and M style hood in the final version.

Although I don't know much about the potential of the N55 I'm a bit disappointed that it's being used in the M1, even if it is a basically a beefed up version. I always thought M engines were designed from the ground up specifically for the M line. The N55 is the replacement for the N54.

Anyways, whatever happens I know the M1 will be a beast when it comes out. It will probably be more economically sensible for me to spend another 5-10k on my car and call it a day... Still won't be an M1 though Lucky the 135i has so much potential already.
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I just hope we see this in the dealership showrooms by 1st quarter of 2011. I need a new DD.
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I enhanced the original pic taken from the rear of the car in order to lighten up the shadows under the car. You can clearly see the additional finning for heat dissipation on the M diff. Additionally, look closely at the rear camber arms. You will note that they appear to be cast aluminum arms like the M3 ones, not stamped steel like the 135i/335i ones.



Here's a comparison of the standard camber link (LEFT side) and the M3 camber link (RIGHT SIDE) (pic courtesy of Harold from HPA):



I would not be surprised if BMW dug into the E92 M3 parts bin a lot for the M1. It would be an economical choice, and cost will be a MAJOR consideration for this car, as it has the potential to approach $50k.
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This news is on autoblog. There's a naming poll on it and M1 is winning

http://i.autoblog.com/2010/04/07/spy...-series-w-pol/
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Does anybody else think the rear fender flares are less prominent than expected? Scott indicated that rear vents are to be incorporated to balance out the proportions of the rear end, but I'm not sure that will be needed based on these pictures.

Maybe the psychodelic camo de-emphasizes the fender contours.
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I am happy to see the M1 shaping up nicely. I am hoping that they can drop another 100lbs off the car, that would be fantastic. and also, I believe the N55 twin turbo will be a baseline for the next generation M3s engine too. They will further develop it and serve it in M3.. since all big NAs are going away.
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Does anybody else think the rear fender flares are less prominent than expected? Scott indicated that rear vents are to be incorporated to balance out the proportions of the rear end, but I'm not sure that will be needed based on these pictures.

Maybe the psychodelic camo de-emphasizes the fender contours.

Not only that, but that's a square set-up.
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sh!t...I just leased a 2010 335i b/c I couldnt wait a year for the M1, if it ever came...

Sounds like I'll be taking an ass-whipping to get out of my current lease next year when the M1 hits showrooms...maybe $75k cap cost on my M1????
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M-Differential clearly seen here. You can see the tell-tale cooling fins.
Wow, good eye. I think that cinches it...this isn't 135is.
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I am happy to see the M1 shaping up nicely. I am hoping that they can drop another 100lbs off the car, that would be fantastic. and also, I believe the N55 twin turbo will be a baseline for the next generation M3s engine too. They will further develop it and serve it in M3.. since all big NAs are going away.
IIRC someone yanked the sunroof and such out of their car, and it was more than 90lbs. I'll bet we see more than 100lbs just from a CF roof/sunroof delete.

I could see up to 150lbs in weight savings if they also use lighter wheels, suspension bits, etc.
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IIRC someone yanked the sunroof and such out of their car, and it was more than 90lbs. I'll bet we see more than 100lbs just from a CF roof/sunroof delete.

I could see up to 150lbs in weight savings if they also use lighter wheels, suspension bits, etc.
I wish CF roof will be standard, but I think it will be an option since it will not be "affordable" with it.
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The actual power to weight if the estimated weight and power is correct is roughly 235~240hp/ton, this is only 15~20hp/ton down on what you get with the M3 but it will have more Nm/ton than the M3 so all things considered I reckon the performance will be very close indeed.

There is little doubt that overall these two cars (1M and M3) are catering for different needs with the M3 aimed more towards the better allrounder as always while the smaller, lighter 1M being the more focused driver's car that will be better suited to the track and dynamic driving.

A perfect addition to the M family.
I hope so. That was my logic when I bought the 135i. It was more tossable than 3 series but still quite hefty.

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it does seem to be an undercover M b/c of the differential+fenders, but BMW is keeping this very hush, even edmunds.com thinks its probably going to be a 135is

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...bmw-135is.html
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agreed, the dual quad exhaust some are seeking adds a lot of weight and no performance improvement. save weight, add power, stiffen the suspension, add a few cosmetic bobbles that are not heavy and we are off to the races
Full Akrapovic Ti exhaust weighs considerably less than the stock item and also sounds porn...

Lets hope they offer a system for sale ;-)
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it does seem to be an undercover M b/c of the differential+fenders, but BMW is keeping this very hush, even edmunds.com thinks its probably going to be a 135is

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...bmw-135is.html
Edmunds is not an enthusiast medium, it's a Consumer Reports type Joe-Honda-Accord-My-Car-Is-The-Same-As-My-Dishwasher website.
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Not only that, but that's a square set-up.
IMHO there's a 0.0% chance of a square tire setup on an M1. Take that to the bank.
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Didn't think of it that way. You might be right! It just feels weird to introduce the M1 in the current 1-series body when there's a new 1-series in a couple of years
No new coupe till at least 2013.


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IMHO there's a 0.0% chance of a square tire setup on an M1. Take that to the bank.
Definitely - but it's not hard to change it to a square set up.

I found it funny how people focused on the missing M parts. BMW wouldnt' have bothered with the fenders if they are doing an 'is' model.

The S engine will have TT, and still rumoured to be Twin Scroll as well - which would make this very interesting on an I6. Of course the other way of having it may be a TwinTurbo, Triple Scroll?
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