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      10-14-2007, 03:13 PM   #133
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I was under the impression that all M cars have been and always will be N/A...

So either they need to come up with a new engine, or I dont see this happening. Keep in mind they wrang out the n/a e46 M3 I-6 at 333 hp. Thats only 33hp more than a 135i, which we all know is under-rated at 300hp. I just dont see it hapening with the current engine line up. And an all new I-6 would be a pricy investment for an entry M car...

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      10-14-2007, 05:26 PM   #134
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Just buy your 135i, chip it, and enjoy it...
'Nuff said :headbang:
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      10-14-2007, 06:43 PM   #135
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I wouldn't be too suprised if an M1 were built, but it's tough to imagine the M3 V8 fitting in the 1-series engine bay.

A reworked 3.2 or 3.5 N52/53 might fit the bill, and along with all the other "M" treatments, you might have a car that peaks some interest.
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      10-15-2007, 04:28 AM   #136
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Because 1 series platform will be refreshed in 2010 so unless BMW plans on delivering a 1 series M which last for 2-3 years then I don't see a M1 on current platform.

If they are going to releasing it before the refresh then there must be some sort of M1 prototype around. Or perhaps it is as elusive as the lochness monster that no one has been able to snap a picture of it.
very well said. I can almost say for sure that there won't be any M for the current model. If any M1 would have been scheduled to be released, then many spy photos would have found their way on the net
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      10-15-2007, 08:20 AM   #137
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I wouldn't be too suprised if an M1 were built, but it's tough to imagine the M3 V8 fitting in the 1-series engine bay.

A reworked 3.2 or 3.5 N52/53 might fit the bill, and along with all the other "M" treatments, you might have a car that peaks some interest.
Keep in mind that a 3.5L I6 would be huge, and likely have worse fitment problems than the S65 V8. The V8 is wider, but fairly short. A 3.5L will be very long and also require an entirely new block design.

I agree a new version of the S54, using N53 engine technology (magnesium block, and direct injection) would be a much better candidate.
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      10-15-2007, 08:36 AM   #138
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I just can't see it. IMO the 135i is going to seriously cannibalize M3 sales, an M1 would only magnify the situation.

Oh well, time will tell I guess. I just want my 135i for now.
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      10-15-2007, 09:25 AM   #139
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I dont see the sense of an M1 since the 135 is already gonna be fairly close to the new M3 anything done to improve the 1er will push it even closer of not past the M3 and I dont see BMW doin that. Although a lightened CSL version of the 135i would be nice, although America seems to always miss out on these.
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      10-15-2007, 01:59 PM   #140
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Hey let these folks keep thinking they're going to get an M1. That will leave more 135i's for the rest of us!
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      10-15-2007, 02:13 PM   #141
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      01-31-2008, 10:17 AM   #142
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Scott26 hi - with the launch of the new performance packs - is an M1 still on the cards for 2008 ? cheers
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      01-31-2008, 10:43 AM   #144
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      01-31-2008, 11:18 AM   #145
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Scott26 hi - with the launch of the new performance packs - is an M1 still on the cards for 2008 ? cheers

Whoah... way to necro a thread!

The M1 would be a mid-engine car! So if your talking in terms of the 1 series with high-performance orientated engineering, then your talking about the BMW Clubsport!

Which is rumored to be 2 models. A full blown racing version like the Tii concept with a bigger engine and a modest priced version similiar to the 135i but sans anything heavy or luxury.

BMW released their BMW Performance catalogue last week... a normal 135i can have a terrific upgrade path now.!




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What engine could the M1 possibly have? I don't see anything in the BMW lineup that would work.

The only thing I can think of is a tuned version of the N54B30, but that would only get maybe 30 extra hp out of the factory. The M3's V8 won't fit. I would expect it needs to have at least 350 hp to distinguish it from the 135i enough to charge a premium, and no more than 375 lest it beat up on the new M3.

It just doesn't seem to have a place in their lineup.
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      01-31-2008, 12:28 PM   #147
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Holy old information batman
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      01-31-2008, 12:29 PM   #148
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Holy old information batman
seriously,
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      01-31-2008, 01:29 PM   #149
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Scott26 hi - with the launch of the new performance packs - is an M1 still on the cards for 2008 ? cheers
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3633

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Last I heard is that the plans for an M model has changed with the current Z4-M engine being too heavy. There is plans for the 1er to offer a model above the 135i and a entry performance model - as I am based in Germany I do not know of US protocol on the "entry" performance model. But in Europe we are specially interested in the world-wide appraise we have received for the 1er Coupe. And That there is two levels of progress available for the 1er Coupe and when I mean progress I mean performance models and models that sacrifice weight for maximum driving enjoyment. and current engine enhancement - watch this Space.

The Performance packages previously announced by myself in the "1ntensified Performance Orientation" thread become available in Europe this Spring. Again I do not speak for the USA.
i certainly would not expect to see anything at the dealers beyond the 128 and 135 for 2008, or a couple more years even





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What engine could the M1 possibly have? I don't see anything in the BMW lineup that would work.

The only thing I can think of is a tuned version of the N54B30, but that would only get maybe 30 extra hp out of the factory. The M3's V8 won't fit. I would expect it needs to have at least 350 hp to distinguish it from the 135i enough to charge a premium, and no more than 375 lest it beat up on the new M3.

It just doesn't seem to have a place in their lineup.
well if they were shooting for the 3.2l out of the m-coupe but it ended up being too heavy that gives you an idea of the direction they are most likely trying to go (rev-happy, NA - possibly). keep in mind that in reading the first post you see that BMW has (possibly "had") planned the 135 as a limited production that would eventually be taken out of the lineup to be replaced with something else. so performance numbers for the replacement could have similar values to those of the N54, it doesnt necessarily have to nestle in beside the 135
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To emphasize the sporting credentials of the Coupe the base petrol model will be the 120 Si using the four cylinder petrol engine that was in the limited edition BMW 320Si WTCC Car.

Additionally BMW will eventually offer the BMW/PSA co-operation of the incoming four cylinder Turbo charged model .
Hi Scott26,

Are either of the above mentioned 4 cylinder engined cars being considered for the U.S.?

Even if you can't respond to this post, thanks as always for your information.

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As we are officially in the approach path of the new BMW 1er Coupe.
I would now say an extremely slooow approach path. Hard to believe we have been hearing about the 1M1 for so long. Maybe the economy derailed the initial pathway, so hopefully it is back on track again.
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I would now say an extremely slooow approach path. Hard to believe we have been hearing about the 1M1 for so long. Maybe the economy derailed the initial pathway, so hopefully it is back on track again.
You necroed a 2 year old thread...?
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      02-03-2010, 07:57 AM   #154
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Necroed?? I had to look it up since I thought you meant kill.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=necroing

Its kinda fun to go back and see what was said especially about the upcoming 1M1 that has been upcoming for 2 years, and also since the inside person (Scott) has his finger on the pulse of BMW. Perhaps BMW should necro the M 1series.

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You necroed a 2 year old thread...?
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