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      09-02-2010, 10:32 PM   #1
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OK, it's time to start thinking about what Dinan will squeeze out of the 1M engine

If BMW uses slightly larger turbos for the 1M I'll bet Dinan can squeeze even more hp out of it (vs. the 135i). Would it be unreasonable to think they could get over 400hp with just software? The oem 1M intercooler should be better than the 135i unit.

Yea, it's very early for speculation but BMW will have to do something hardware-wise over the 135i engine.. so it seems reasonable.

I don't want to hear the ecu will be beyond cracking. That's what they said about the GT-R.
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      09-02-2010, 11:28 PM   #2
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If BMW uses slightly larger turbos for the 1M I'll bet Dinan can squeeze even more hp out of it (vs. the 135i). Would it be unreasonable to think they could get over 400hp with just software? The oem 1M intercooler should be better than the 135i unit.

Yea, it's very early for speculation but BMW will have to do something hardware-wise over the 135i engine.. so it seems reasonable.

I don't want to hear the ecu will be beyond cracking. That's what they said about the GT-R.
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      09-02-2010, 11:55 PM   #3
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I think all the compaines that cracked the N54 and now N55 will also offer tunes for the 1M motor. It'll just take some time.
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      09-03-2010, 12:22 AM   #4
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they won't be bigger turbos, so if there's any more power to be tuned, it will be insignificant.
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      09-03-2010, 01:12 AM   #5
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not much more than what they already can on the n54
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      09-03-2010, 06:32 AM   #6
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Put Active Autowerkes name in the hat for what type of insane tune they will come up with...

As far as Dinan, I think they might can come up with a 400-400+ reliable tune, and they many even develop some internal mods as well, I was impressed with their stroker kit for the V10, like that should have been the engine that should have been in the M5/M6 all along.
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      09-03-2010, 08:19 AM   #7
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If BMW uses slightly larger turbos for the 1M I'll bet Dinan can squeeze even more hp out of it (vs. the 135i).
I think you will be disappointed again. Since the Z4 35is makes 340 with stock turbos, why would they use larger turbos, do they need an increase in lag ?
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      09-03-2010, 08:32 AM   #8
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Dinan are not better tuners, than M division.
Its not that Dinan is a better tuner than BMW its the fact Dinan is a "specialty" tuner. Not everyone who buys a BMW wants have a higher strung, more powerful, more expensive car. BMW caters to the masses, specialty tuners cater to a smaller percentage of enthusiasts. CAFE import numbers play its part also.
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      09-03-2010, 08:36 AM   #9
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I think that dinans 1M tuneshould be to give me a stroker S65 and M3 drivetrain and I'll put it my car
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You're dreaming if you think there's a chance of BMW putting different turbos on the 1M. At this point I think we'd be lucky to anything over 340hp. But, the engine will not define this car, the handling will.
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The "masses" don't buy M badge cars... so why should owners of them be concerned about what Dinan can do for them...?

This whole "tuner" thing has gone to people's heads. If you want more, buy more... fact is, most people can't drive the car they have, so moar tune is a fallacy.
Well, once the car is out on the roads Im sure there will be quite a few owners of the new cars that will be looking to upgrade power. Dinan does do quite a bit of performance work to M cars and has since they opened their doors. Really comes across as naive and uninformed to even say what you did. So it seems many owners of M cars don't adhere to your opinion. So "if" you get one down the road feel free not to let any tuner touch it.

As for the "most people cant drive the car they have" comment, Im curious to know what you drive? Dont think I've seen a post you've made about a car you own. Just see alot of talking about a car you may get at some point down the road sometime "if".

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      09-03-2010, 05:21 PM   #12
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Does anybody remember Dinan's "1M", it had 380 hp, suspension mods, I believe a LSD, and CSL style wheels, possibly even a brake upgrade. Would love to see the comparison of both
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You're dreaming if you think there's a chance of BMW putting different turbos on the 1M. At this point I think we'd be lucky to anything over 340hp. But, the engine will not define this car, the handling will.
Haha.. but what is a man without a dream! My idea of a M car is one that holds torque steady to redline. The torque falls on its face after 5500 rpm on my 135i, to allegedly avoid overspinning the turbos.. so I assume they would consider *slightly* larger turbos for the 1M. Then again, they're running out of time and it might be too low volume for something like that.

As much as I hate to admit it, the new mustang was right with the M3 in nearly every performance category in recent magazine comparisons. The 1M is the "entry level" M car so I understand why they won't go too far with it. If they don't do something extra special for the 1M engine-wise it'll be a shame to have mustangs fly by.
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hopefully more lol
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      09-06-2010, 01:39 AM   #15
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Yes, years ago. Things have changed over the last 5 years, bro.

Today, the efficiency of each new generation, means that refinement and durability is the next era of the auto industry. So, leaving little on the table, the tuners, will have less fat to play with in the near future, as these engines shed their fat & inefficiencies.

Secondly, BMW has openly stated several times recently is that they want people out of their EMU. Dinan no longer has rights, those ties are long broken I believe.

Even between "tuners".. their stuff is going to have to be different than Dinan, or Racing Dynamic, etc.. That M won't offer themselves... anyway, right?
I believe Dinan did run a factory backed car, recently. If so, then they have garnered BMW respect, for what they do with the cars...Dinan isn't some backwoods hack and ECU job...that V10 stroker kit is a beast, and people have recognized Dinan's work...

What you say, well maybe true, but it was said the same for the GT-R's engine, that no one could crackit and produce Gi-normous amounts of power, due to the fine tuned nature of the cars. Yet, Hennessey has 700+ hp GT-Rs running around, so does HKS, and other JDM tuners...same thing will happen for BMW. Unfortunately, there are some damn good ECu crackers out there that are employed by other tuners, and when you have a turbo engine, whose block and internals can take 100-300+ more hp, you are gonna get those people trying to extract that out of it.
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^dinan runs a Daytona prototype in grand am powered by an E39 M5 V8 but next year it will be powered by the stroker S65 That they offer
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^dinan runs a Daytona prototype in grand am powered by an E39 M5 V8 but next year it will be powered by the stroker S65 That they offer
Based upon that...Dayum...I wish they ran that in LMP2 in Le Man's or AMLS with a Courage chassis, those Riley or Riley and Scott's---well, GM had to break from them for their Cadillac AMLS/Le Man's LMP because they were quite inferior...I don't like the Daytona Prototypes, they have a weird "pumpkin seed" looking canopy, that I guess is to make the frontal area bigger, thus effing up the aero and slowing the cars down.

The E39's V8 is quite badass, I would like to get my hands on a E39 M5...It has a timeless shape, and the rims are quite nice.
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      09-06-2010, 10:36 AM   #18
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Secondly, BMW has openly stated several times recently is that they want people out of their EMU. Dinan no longer has rights, those ties are long broken I believe.


Even between "tuners".. their stuff is going to have to be different than Dinan, or Racing Dynamic, etc.. That M won't offer themselves... anyway, right?
Haha.. I'm afraid even the M division is held back by the marketing department's idea of protecting other models. I'd like to see what M could do if told, "make the 1M the fastest and best handling car for xxx price range" instead of, "make it special but don't embarrass our M3."
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If the turbos are slightly larger, I imagine 400rwhp with a tune on 93 would be cakewalk. If they're the size of the ASR turbos (15% larger?) then expect 450rwhp with basic boltons on 93, and north of 500 with race fuel.
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I wonder if the guys at HP Freaks will do anything with the 1M. HPF is already working on N54 upgrades which might work in the 1M (assuming some similarity between 1M N54 and the regular N54).
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