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Randy Pobst vs. the Rest of the World....
Slow day at work today, so my coworkers and I divided and conquered the different talking posts by RP. With a littler cutting and pasting we take a walk down memory lane. Enjoy!
Feel free to add your favorite 1M quotes in your posts! RANDY POBST'S IMPRESSIONS VS. The rest of the world... On handling... "....I hate this car. It won't turn. The thing I didn't like...was its mid-corner understeer, its reluctance to turn once it was in the corner....That it is very lazy on turn-in." Quote:
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Overall... "....it's not really good at putting the power down, either. I'm just not impressed with this car. I like the M3 so much that I find the 1M to be very, very disappointing, though the M3 understeers too much, too.....I hate to pick on what is obviously overall is a pretty good car, but in today's world there are not very many cars I hate...I hate this car." Quote:
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I have a theory that might explain some of the disconnect between RP and others:
If I remember correctly, they noted in Randy's brief, track only test that they inflated all the tires (except the GTRs) to 4 psi over recommended, as that was the tire rack's standard advice for tracking. And with most cars that tend to roll the sidewalls over that's probably sound advice, but I can tell you that with the 19s I've run they are not getting rolled over, especially by lighter cars. These tires were specifically designed for the M3, remember, which is putting more than 10% more load on them all around- if anything you're going to want to run them at lower pressures. Meanwhile grip can fall off quickly at higher pressures (PS2s do seem sensitive in my experience), especially if they got a little pressure-rise from the heat. I suspect the 1M would have done much better at stock pressures; like Nissan, BMW knows many of these will see the track, and they might also have suggested the recommended pressure wasn't changed if they'd been asked. Randy's main complaints- "doesn't put power down", "understeer", both stem from a lack of grip, which tests indicate is generally not an issue with the 1M. But it certainly would be an issue if you got the tire pressures significantly wrong. After that his main issue is simply that it's not a fast car. And personally, I tend to agree. Quick enough to be fun, sure, but fast? Depends on your perspective, but not from where I'm sitting.
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I’m appalled that you didn't include any Jeremy Clarkson quotes? On second thought, that was probably a good idea since his cynicism is often misinterpreted.
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Thx OP, this thread might just become my automotive safe house.
And will somebody please give this RP dude a BJ, alternatively ask him to stop his vinegar diet before reviewing cars. |
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Sure, if you're comparing a 1M to your modded Porsche that has twice the power to weight ratio.
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Maybe I should drop my sig so I don't come off as a dick. I'm just saying that in a world where the base corvette has 25% more power and weighs a couple hundred pounds less than the 1M it's difficult to call it truly fast...
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I don't think a 1969 Porsche 911 w/ 997 GT3 Cup Motor should be used as a benchmark for fast 'production' cars on the market today. Fact is, RP did not make the lack of power comment about other comparably powered cars shows he's got an axe to grind with the 1M. You can't say a car is "not fast" while that very car is keeping pace with the cars you think are fast, on and of the track. Kinda like the Vette you are referring to: Hockenheim: Corvette Coupe 6.2 C6= 1:14.10____127__'08___436 / 1462 Sport Auto BMW 1 Series M Coupe= 1:14.10____127__'11___340 / 1513 Sport Auto
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Nah, that's totally not what this is about at all. Just a lot of Randy P. leg-humping taking place on the forum lately. We were just having fun with the quotes of so many sources that contradict his wild comments. That's all. Take it for what it's worth.
People are entitled to their opinions like Pete_vB, and as long as they are consistent, does'nt bother me on bit. You just can't say the 1M "not fast" and then take another car that performs almost identical in every aspect and then say "now this IS fast!"
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seriously, not this again...
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Nice work Metak.
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I'm sure GoingTooFast will be along soon to oblige. His buddy is already getting on his knees on this thread.
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Wait till you see their big, brown.... trucks.
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wow outstanding. When I watched that video I distinctly remember thinking why is he complaining about understeer when on another video I'm sure they mentioned GREAT turn in and corner balance, but this is overkill. hahaha
I wonder what he based his review off of and if he is even a valid reviewer Great job |
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Come you guys, your missing the big issues here.
RP is a old guy, that drives a all wheel drive VOLVO! Maybe he'll like the 1M more if he put's his "boys" back in his sack? BTW, Randy, your wife wants her car back. |
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