Interesting Evidence of 2007 323i/328i

nostrum09 · 04-14-2006, 09:48 AM

Found this on the bimmerfest site... not sure if it has been posted here before.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=142429

EnI · 04-14-2006, 09:58 AM

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/...2d5-3d0_u2.pdf

This looks like a very clear proof to me that in 2007 BMW NA will offer the 323i/328i/335i configuration.
They finally decided. Thanks god!

323i being N51 2.5L I6 NA
328i being N52 3.0L I6 NA or even N53 3.0L I6 DI NA
335i being N54 3.0L I6 bi-turbo

While 5er will get the new engines in MY 2008 when also a FL will be done (really minor design tweaks, but improved chasis and new version of xDrive - from X5).

hector · 04-14-2006, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregA

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/...2d5-3d0_u2.pdf

This looks like a very clear proof to me that in 2007 BMW NA will offer the 323i/328i/335i configuration.
They finally decided. Thanks god!

323i being N51 2.5L I6 NA
328i being N52 3.0L I6 NA or even N53 3.0L I6 DI NA
335i being N54 3.0L I6 bi-turbo

While 5er will get the new engines in MY 2008 when also a FL will be done (really minor design tweaks, but improved chasis and new version of xDrive - from X5).

greg, where do you see 335? i only see 323 and 328. granted there has to be a model above the 328 but i'm wondering if it's absence from these documents implies a delayed intro.?

ward · 04-14-2006, 10:24 AM

nice they're making the cars slower!!

I'm glad I got a 325 before they downgraded to a 323

nostrum09 · 04-14-2006, 10:27 AM

It will be interesting to see the effects on resale (if any) of the 2006 325i/330i versus a 2007 323i/328i...

stressdoc · 04-14-2006, 10:31 AM

They have a 328i Sport Wagon listed. Finally, a rwd touring.

visor · 04-14-2006, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregA

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/...2d5-3d0_u2.pdf

This looks like a very clear proof to me that in 2007 BMW NA will offer the 323i/328i/335i configuration.
They finally decided. Thanks god!

323i being N51 2.5L I6 NA
328i being N52 3.0L I6 NA or even N53 3.0L I6 DI NA
335i being N54 3.0L I6 bi-turbo

I can't grasp/believe that there will be a gap of 60-70 hp between the mid 328 and the top 335. Why would BMW detune the 3.0L? I guess, maybe to avoid upsetting existing 330 owners?

KL2DC · 04-14-2006, 10:41 AM

Time to start looking though ebay for 328i badges...

kidding!!

So the 323i will base under $30k ??

stressdoc · 04-14-2006, 10:42 AM

Detune the engine (and decontent standard options) a bit for early 2007, then change back to 325/330 when the DI engines are released. 325/330/335si will be a great line-up for 2007.5. The 2.5 should help with the gas mileage concerns. A bi-turbo 2.5 would seem like a great engine for the 1-series....

325er · 04-14-2006, 10:47 AM

This all sounds like horse shit

CirrusSR22 · 04-14-2006, 10:52 AM

I wonder if that N51 2.5 is any lighter than the N52? That would be sweet if so... All this 250+HP is worthless in the USA.

Actually a 125i Coupe with the N51 would be perfect.

noflash · 04-14-2006, 10:57 AM

Whoa.

EnI · 04-14-2006, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hector

greg, where do you see 335? i only see 323 and 328. granted there has to be a model above the 328 but i'm wondering if it's absence from these documents implies a delayed intro.?

323i & 328i are implication there will be a 335i - as a replacement for 330i, not an additional model like in Europe. The competition in US market is just too hefty. 323i will be an additional model: 325i -> 328i, 330i -> 335i, 323 is a new one - with IMO approx. 200hp.

Delayed intro of 335i? No!
Only the engine is still in development to fit US gas standards. 335i exhausts will be certified a bit later.

akhbhaat · 04-14-2006, 11:32 AM

Remember this? http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12057

325er · 04-14-2006, 11:36 AM

Hey guys get out of your American bubble......the 323i is sold in Canada NOW as a 2006 along with the 325 and 330. It's a 2.5L with 174 HP. Go to BMW.ca

hector · 04-14-2006, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregA

Delayed intro of 335i? No!
Only the engine is still in development to fit US gas standards. 335i exhausts will be certified a bit later.

thanks.

nostrum09 · 04-14-2006, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 325er

Hey guys get out of your American bubble......the 323i is sold in Canada NOW as a 2006 along with the 325 and 330. It's a 2.5L with 174 HP. Go to BMW.ca

We do realize there's more to the world than just the US. But this particular document refers to changes for the US market, which probably will interest those of us NOT in Canada.

RPM90 · 04-14-2006, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregA

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/...2d5-3d0_u2.pdf

This looks like a very clear proof to me that in 2007 BMW NA will offer the 323i/328i/335i configuration.
They finally decided. Thanks god!

323i being N51 2.5L I6 NA
328i being N52 3.0L I6 NA or even N53 3.0L I6 DI NA
335i being N54 3.0L I6 bi-turbo

While 5er will get the new engines in MY 2008 when also a FL will be done (really minor design tweaks, but improved chasis and new version of xDrive - from X5).

Yeah, it's as clear as mud.

I don't buy it. Until there is official announcement I don't believe any speculation. This "guessing" stuff is as bad as the Enquirer
working on what BMW do next.

ABR · 04-14-2006, 11:57 AM

And what had happneed with 550? The 5er goes only to 530i? Sounds fishy...

RPM90 · 04-14-2006, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregA

323i & 328i are implication there will be a 335i - as a replacement for 330i, not an additional model like in Europe. The competition in US market is just too hefty. 323i will be an additional model: 325i -> 328i, 330i -> 335i, 323 is a new one - with IMO approx. 200hp.

Delayed intro of 335i? No!
Only the engine is still in development to fit US gas standards. 335i exhausts will be certified a bit later.

The competition is so stiff that BMW will use smaller engines?
With potentially less power? Remember, people are impressed with numbers. Smaller numbers makes people think "less", even if it is more. Just look at the issue Apple had with it's "low" numbers vs. Windows based machines and their "larger" numbers.

Also, if this even plays out, the 335i being a "replacement" for the 330i is inaccurate. The 325 becomes a 323, the 330i becomes a lower numbered 328i, and a 335i is introduced. That's not a replacement of the 330i, it's just a renaming of the 330i to a 328i, and that is a problem. And, then there comes a 335i.
That 335i will not replace the already top priced 330i in it's market.
If the 335i makes it to the US, it will be a performance variation that will command a premium over the current 330i, and potentially the upcoming "328i".

I think there is a lot of wishful thinking by some who want more power than a 330i has, but they want it at the 330i price, thus the guesses that the 330i will be replaced by a 335i for just a little more. Doubtfull is what I say, but I've been wrong before.

gohawks23 · 04-14-2006, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregA

323i & 328i are implication there will be a 335i - as a replacement for 330i, not an additional model like in Europe. The competition in US market is just too hefty. 323i will be an additional model: 325i -> 328i, 330i -> 335i, 323 is a new one - with IMO approx. 200hp.

Delayed intro of 335i? No!
Only the engine is still in development to fit US gas standards. 335i exhausts will be certified a bit later.

I hear only sign off in Cali is holding up the 335. Wow, this is exciting, huh!

longtran · 04-14-2006, 12:03 PM

where is e90fleet to verify this?

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stressdoc Moderator 618 Rep 10,855 Posts Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waco TX iTrader: (0)	Detune the engine (and decontent standard options) a bit for early 2007, then change back to 325/330 when the DI engines are released. 325/330/335si will be a great line-up for 2007.5. The 2.5 should help with the gas mileage concerns. A bi-turbo 2.5 would seem like a great engine for the 1-series....
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325er Banned 2 Rep 135 Posts Drives: 325i Jet Blk Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	Hey guys get out of your American bubble......the 323i is sold in Canada NOW as a 2006 along with the 325 and 330. It's a 2.5L with 174 HP. Go to BMW.ca
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