Friend think his 350Z is faster then my 135i

[NYC6]

Had a run in with a 370z a couple weeks ago right after I had the PPK installed. On the hwy from about 70-130mph. We were dead even till I lifted.

[chachacha28]

Originally Posted by NYC6

Had a run in with a 370z a couple weeks ago right after I had the PPK installed. On the hwy from about 70-130mph. We were dead even till I lifted.

in mexico right?

i think the 370z has 30+ hp over the 350z. i know the 370 is an HR. It was also a vert, so it was making roughly the same power, and isnt much lighter, if at all. the ppk isnt all that great, it seems like most people are getting 20-30 hp tops. beats the PE losing power i guess.

[NYC6]

Autobahn

[Venom]

Originally Posted by ezeedee

in mexico right?

i think the 370z has 30+ hp over the 350z. i know the 370 is an HR. It was also a vert, so it was making roughly the same power, and isnt much lighter, if at all. the ppk isnt all that great, it seems like most people are getting 20-30 hp tops. beats the PE losing power i guess.

PE losing power?

[TX78666]

Originally Posted by sparkyblue

A few mods, like M3 FWB & a set of Michelin PSS's and I think you'll be able to keep up with him around the twisties.

Challenge accepted.

I will be at the track this weekend, bone stock, on these stupid run-flats, that never seem to wear out, and I will look for a 350, or a 370, to overtake.

[chachacha28]

Originally Posted by NurEinser

PE losing power?

http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...t/viewall.html

-10 whp and -5ft/lbs

not the best way to spend a thousand bucks imho

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Da _Grk_Tuner

Friend of mine just got a 2006 used 350Z with 38,000 miles 6 speed and thinks he can beat my 2008 135i 6speed

what should i say? or even do

If this a question of just the car, the 135i is faster.
By that I mean, if we're just considering the cars ability, then driven by the same person, the 135i will beat the 350Z. It's academic at that point.

But, since your question is whether your friend in his 350Z can beat you in your 135i, the only way to answer that question is to take both cars to the track and see which one of you in your respective cars can beat the other guy.

Just because a certain car has tested to be faster than the other that doesn't mean it will translate that way in a race.
Known accel times for cars is done by professional testers in controlled conditions doing several runs to get an average of the cars potential.
By using that method they try to best eliminate the question of driver skill, and thus come up with a time that reflects the cars ability rather than a drivers skill.
For everyday drivers our skills vary. They vary so much that even a car that may test 1 second faster can still lose to a "slower" car, due to drivers skill on that particular race.

Yeah, it's possible that your friend in his Z can beat you in your 1.
If he has better manual trans driving skill, then he could beat you if you'r not so good.
MT cars are most affected by drivers skill. AT cars don't have as much related to drivers skill, but there are always conditions that could help a slower car, such as the tires traction, how quickly the driver can get a jump on the other guy, how much gas in the tank (weight), etc...

You could have a fat guy with a full tank of gas, some heavy audio gear and tires with not so good tires/traction in a 135i against a skinny guy in a 350Z with a nearly empty tank, nothing in the trunk, and excellent gripping summer performance tires, and the result may not be to the 135i's liking.

So that answer is; it depends.
But, academically, the faster car is the 135i.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by ezeedee

http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...t/viewall.html

-10 whp and -5ft/lbs

not the best way to spend a thousand bucks imho

Why do they advert 5HP + 3ft*lbs gains then? http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ustSystem.aspx

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by ezeedee

x2. it wont even be a challenge.

Agree

[chachacha28]

Originally Posted by NurEinser

Why do they advert 5HP + 3ft*lbs gains then? http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ustSystem.aspx

why do the pills in the back of the magazine say they will make your penis bigger?

I just saw that article, and thought it was interesting that they lost power, even after giving the car a few thousand miles to "re-learn"

i honestly dont know. its supposed to be the same exhaust, but with less baffling, i dont see how that would lose power. Then again, the eurotuner test was only one test, there has to be more people out there that did before and afters of the exhaust, with, im sure, different results. I would take hp claims with a grain of salt, maybe 2 if the person making the claim, also sells the part.

[Lester]

Go pinks on him. See who is more confident.

[Venom]

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Good comparison. I figured since its just the removal of a restrictive bit that there would be a power gain just from the exhaust being able to expel more gases. But I have also heard that the reason BOVs are bad for the N54 is that the back-pressure is necessary for the power. So I am not quite sure...

Originally Posted by ezeedee

why do the pills in the back of the magazine say they will make your penis bigger?

I just saw that article, and thought it was interesting that they lost power, even after giving the car a few thousand miles to "re-learn"

i honestly dont know. its supposed to be the same exhaust, but with less baffling, i dont see how that would lose power. Then again, the eurotuner test was only one test, there has to be more people out there that did before and afters of the exhaust, with, im sure, different results. I would take hp claims with a grain of salt, maybe 2 if the person making the claim, also sells the part.

[BadM4]

is your car stock? if not use map2 or map7 with some race gas if u r unsure and smoke and bet some money on it lol

[1-2MANY]

trust me a 06 and below 350z has no chance unless you are a horrible driver.

[Boosted_N54]

Originally Posted by 1-2MANY

trust me a 06 and below 350z has no chance unless you are a horrible driver.

lol i have been driving stick shit since 17years old i am now 27 years old
i do what i do best and that is only DRIVE. i am a really good stick shift driver and i race a lot ((i don't want to sound gassed )). i have killed
Evo X
(E46) M3 4times different driver
Audi s4,
Caynne turbo,
BMW 550,
BMW 650
Dodge Challenger ( i didn't know what engine it had )

I have also picked on a E92 M3 and he had to put his foot to the peddle real hard to catch up to me and pass me all races from a roll and I'm still stock . just with PSS tires i know for sure i will kill the 350Z but its just funny how this kid thinks he can beat me . and his new to a manual transmission

[spyderx]

350z's are slow as hell! I test drove one and I thought I was driving a honda. Seriously, they're slow and kept saying where is the POWER!

[RnmEvo9]

I raced a 350z at our drag strip. I don't know what he had other than an exhaust, but he went 14.1@101mph while I went 12.8@114mph (I had major traction issues )

[Boosted_N54]

Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

I raced a 350z at our drag strip. I don't know what he had other than an exhaust, but he went 14.1@101mph while I went 12.8@114mph (I had major traction issues )

do you have a video i would love to see it lol

[RnmEvo9]

Originally Posted by Da _Grk_Tuner

do you have a video i would love to see it lol

No, but I do have a timeslip of a different run where I went 13.2@114mph while he did a 15.1@98mph lol.

[Boosted_N54]

Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

No, but I do have a timeslip of a different run where I went 13.2@114mph while he did a 15.1@98mph lol.

post it up

[BFD99]

Get a JB4 and race him, then you'll be racing that M3 and probably beating him! LOL

[roo97ss]

Originally Posted by RPM90

If this a question of just the car, the 135i is faster.
By that I mean, if we're just considering the cars ability, then driven by the same person, the 135i will beat the 350Z. It's academic at that point.

But, since your question is whether your friend in his 350Z can beat you in your 135i, the only way to answer that question is to take both cars to the track and see which one of you in your respective cars can beat the other guy.

Just because a certain car has tested to be faster than the other that doesn't mean it will translate that way in a race.
Known accel times for cars is done by professional testers in controlled conditions doing several runs to get an average of the cars potential.
By using that method they try to best eliminate the question of driver skill, and thus come up with a time that reflects the cars ability rather than a drivers skill.
For everyday drivers our skills vary. They vary so much that even a car that may test 1 second faster can still lose to a "slower" car, due to drivers skill on that particular race.

Yeah, it's possible that your friend in his Z can beat you in your 1.
If he has better manual trans driving skill, then he could beat you if you'r not so good.
MT cars are most affected by drivers skill. AT cars don't have as much related to drivers skill, but there are always conditions that could help a slower car, such as the tires traction, how quickly the driver can get a jump on the other guy, how much gas in the tank (weight), etc...

You could have a fat guy with a full tank of gas, some heavy audio gear and tires with not so good tires/traction in a 135i against a skinny guy in a 350Z with a nearly empty tank, nothing in the trunk, and excellent gripping summer performance tires, and the result may not be to the 135i's liking.

So that answer is; it depends.
But, academically, the faster car is the 135i.

This is just blasphemy, everyone on the internet is a top dog drag racer who can eek out every last bit of power from their manual trans cars!

Years back, my wife who is not a serious driver was with me at the track. 01 ws6 automatic, stock. Our friend had a 99 z28 at the time and had it reasonably modded with exhaust, headers, intake, tune, etc. He was talking so much crap the one night about his car, a real car with a manual trans. He'd never drive an automatic because they are so slow, you lose so much power, only have 4 gears vs his 6, etc. etc. So i said well my wife has never been down the 1/4 mile and has wanted to for a while. You guys line up and see what's better.

My wife half drove around and half through the water, didn't clean the tires off or anything. Her instructions, get to the tree, stage slowly, when it goes green just floor it. Her result - some ridiculous RT of course but a 13.4@108...him a 14.1@104...True the 01 had a few ponies on the 99 due to an intake change, but his headers and tune should have made up the difference.

Oh yeah and i agree a well driven 135 will beat a well driven 350 in a straight line...