HASBACK* Photography shoots 1013MM's 135i

[Duckles McGee]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

but don't really care for the stretch, or for multi-piece wheels, or some of the really crazy negative camber. I am also not really a fan of bodywork being millimeters from the ground.

So this car has four strikes? (I actually agree in this instance)

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

I feel like my wheels look a bit sunken. You guys got any advice?

That is pretty common IMO.. Even with a subtle drop, the wheels tend to look sunken. 10/12mm spacers would help dramatically. I have a set sitting in my office just waiting to go on. If you are running OEM sized wheels/ rubber, you should have no issues with a little spacing.

[Bimmer-Bob]

^ Yes that car is pretty horrendous. That 6er you posted earlier, though, I would drive in a heartbeat.

So with spacers, does it matter if you go with the same size all around versus different sizes in front and back?

[91Kevin]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

^ Yes that car is pretty horrendous. That 6er you posted earlier, though, I would drive in a heartbeat.

So with spacers, does it matter if you go with the same size all around versus different sizes in front and back?

well I know from experience that the front fenders can fit a more aggressive offset than the rear fenders, so you'll be able to go more on the front that the rear to get things sitting more flush. Here's a tool to help you figure out what you need:

http://www.flushstance.com/?page_id=621

Just put in the width and offset and it will give you measurements from the hub in inches you can get a rough estimate from.

[Bimmer-Bob]

Originally Posted by 91Kevin

well I know from experience that the front fenders can fit a more aggressive offset than the rear fenders, so you'll be able to go more on the front that the rear to get things sitting more flush.

I don't really get what the limiting factor is in back? I mean, unless you're so low that the wheel arch sits lower than the tire sidewall, I don't see what else could get in the way of fitment? Am i overlooking something?

Or are you just sating that the rear wheels are already closer to flush so it takes a smaller width spacer to get them the rest of the way there?

I could see needing wider spacers in front just because my camber plates have pushed the tops of my wheels in pretty noticeably (to me, at least).

[1013mm]

its cause we are on a staggered fitment, the rear is wider than the front. so you dont need a bigger or equal spacer in the rear vs the front.

[Duckles McGee]

Originally Posted by jzhang

its cause we are on a staggered fitment, the rear is wider than the front. so you dont need a bigger or equal spacer in the rear vs the front.

Unless you want more stagger...

Also, while the rear wheels should theoretically extend 10mm more on the outside than the fronts, I feel like the rear hubs are offset to compensate. If you measure the tire to the fender, the distance appears to be pretty close.

Tough to see, but this car has 15mm front and 12mm rear spacers. It's also lowered 1.3" with eibach springs.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=482523


I have the same spacers and want to put the larger on the rear as the above photo makes it look like the front pokes a tiny bit and the rear has some room to grow.

With regard to outer clearance, the rears are usually cut a little lower, so you can rub, but with the front you have to watch your clearance when you are turning and hit a bump.

[Bimmer-Bob]

15mm F, 12mm R were the sizes I was thinking about trying out. I'm running wider rubber than the example above, so the rears should fill out a little more. My negative camber should keep the fronts from poking more than the rears, as well (they look more sunken at the moment to my eye).

I'll break out the tape measure just to be sure, but I think I should be safe with these sizes - maybe I can even go a little wider.

Thanks.

[91Kevin]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

I don't really get what the limiting factor is in back? I mean, unless you're so low that the wheel arch sits lower than the tire sidewall, I don't see what else could get in the way of fitment? Am i overlooking something?

Or are you just sating that the rear wheels are already closer to flush so it takes a smaller width spacer to get them the rest of the way there?

I could see needing wider spacers in front just because my camber plates have pushed the tops of my wheels in pretty noticeably (to me, at least).

Well even if at rest your arch is not over the tire, during driving it will compress, sometimes all the way to over the tire depending on how much you're already dropped and also on how you are driving the car at the time. I can tell you that with my setup, I am running a 255 on a x9 with a 43 offset and I am tucking tire in the rear with no rubbing. I don't know what the stock offsets are on the 135i's wheels (264s or whatever) but if you know, you can figure out how much spacer you need. I have a 5mm spacer in the rear on my Volk G2s which brings them from a 48 offset to a 43 (48 - 5 = 43, pretty simple).

The reason the tops of your wheels have been pushed in is because the camber plates are increasing your negative camber, or how much the wheels tilt inward when looking straight on (basically from this l l to this / \ ) so with more camber you can run a more aggressive (closer to 0) offset. I have a 35 offset in the front with a 225 tire on a x8 and I have less than a finger gap between tire and fender when at full lock and I am very close to tucking tire in the front too (I'm kind of low). Anyway I hope some of this helps you figure out what kind of spacers you need.

[1013mm]

there is natural camber. when I was on h&R sport springs there was some camber and now that I am on st coils there is even more. I never dialed in my camber.

[Duckles McGee]

Hah.. My wheels on my last car would camber like crazy and suck in. You could hear the tires sliding.



At my "ride" height they camber was pretty close to stock.

[1013mm]

sick.

[91Kevin]

Thats sick what kind of wheels are those?

[Duckles McGee]

Merc AMG aero II's 2-piece BBS wheels.

[91Kevin]

Oh cool, couldn't tell from that angle.

[Duckles McGee]

Yep.. Nothing special, but they cleaned up nice and took the Ron burgundy paint well.

[91Kevin]

Originally Posted by Duckles McGee

Yep.. Nothing special, but they cleaned up nice and took the Ron burgundy paint well.

lol ron burgundy. Don't you have LMs now or something? or am I thinking about the wrong person.


edit: nevermind, different person.

[Bimmer-Bob]

Originally Posted by 91Kevin

I don't know what the stock offsets are on the 135i's wheels (264s or whatever) but if you know, you can figure out how much spacer you need.

Well, I know my offsets (49 F, 52 R) but how do I use that to find out how much spacer I need? I get that you can subtract the number of the spacer to get a more aggressive offset, but I don't know what sort of ideal number I'm shooting for.

So, with the 15mm/12mm spacers I was thinking about I would end up with 49-15=34 F and 52-12=40 R. But how do I know if that's too much or not enough?

[competition]

Originally Posted by Duckles McGee

Merc AMG aero II's 2-piece BBS wheels.

SAY WHAAAATTTTT

i loved your car on Golfmkv. one of the best out there. any plans like this for your 1er??? BAG IT! HAHA

[Duckles McGee]

Originally Posted by goeslikeschnell

any plans like this for your 1er??? BAG IT! HAHA

No real plans for this car... I sort of went overboard with the last one and ultimately decided that I drive too much to have a heavily modded daily. All of the paint and body work was getting eaten to shit by stones.

Instead of putting money into a DD, I've been looking for a 993 to tinker with..

[Duckles McGee]

How long before you stretched tire trolls complain to this guy?

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...16#post9311116

You probably wont because he's got reps, but his tire/ wheel sizes are not much different than jzhang's..

[Duckles McGee]

A friend just sent me a pic of some futura's...

Hmmmm.

[Duckles McGee]

Originally Posted by Bimmer-Bob

Well, I know my offsets (49 F, 52 R) but how do I use that to find out how much spacer I need? I get that you can subtract the number of the spacer to get a more aggressive offset, but I don't know what sort of ideal number I'm shooting for.

So, with the 15mm/12mm spacers I was thinking about I would end up with 49-15=34 F and 52-12=40 R. But how do I know if that's too much or not enough?

Right, so people think that the front is 3mm less then the rear, so they would do 15/12 for F/R... IMO the rear's are actually 10mm more poke, but the hubs setup to offset this difference. I think 12/12 or 10/12 would be more ideal. Here is the rest of his thread of 15/12.. I still think the rear could poke some more, but if you are on 255 tires you might have a slight rubbing issue without rolling the rears.
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=482523

I am going to put 12F and 15R and I will let you know (hopefully this weekend).. If the 15 is too wide for the rear, I will sell it for 12's or 10's for the front and 12 rears since they work above.

Here can see how much 15mm spaces the rear...
http://www.burgertuning.com/BMW_wheel_spacers.html