|
Post Reply |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
04-08-2014, 05:01 PM | #45 | |
Banned
7905
Rep 11,785
Posts |
Quote:
which is worth more today. An E30 M3 or an E46 M3 ? An E36 M3 lightweight (CSL) or an E46 M3 ? An E36 M3 lightweight or a low mileage E9x M3 ? An E46 M3 CSL or an E9x M3? When a new model comes out.. the older models do drop a little.. but in all the examples above... the car in the first part of the sentence has higher value. Will 1M values drop when the M2 comes out? perhaps slightly.. but what will happen to the M2? As they are mass produced (ala E9x) then they will be very common. The 1M will still be just as rare or rarer. Sure.. the performance of the M2 will exceed the 1M... just as the performance of the newer cars exceeds the older cars in the examples above... and yet... the older model still retains a higher value. The BMW 2002 Tii, the E30 M3, the E36 M3 lightweight, S54 Z3 M coupe and roadster, E46 M3 CSL and 1M are all in a unique class of their own among used BMW models. Each was a limited edition model or had a short production run. All are rare and have *extraordinary* value in the used market. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 05:09 PM | #46 | |
Banned
7905
Rep 11,785
Posts |
Quote:
It wasnt very long into the late 90s and early 200s when E36 M3s began dropping lower than the E30 M3. today E36s are a fraction of the price, and E30 M3s have been worth more than E36 M3s for many years..... Decades actually.. and of course.. they are now worth more than most E46 M3s.... |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 05:10 PM | #47 | ||
TIM YOYO
1504
Rep 3,283
Posts
Drives: 2013 M3
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Vero Beach, FL
|
Quote:
Quote:
You can't focus on individuals when making market prognostications. The 1M won't change. It will still be a fantastic car, and it will still be a car worth keeping. What I'm saying is that there is a portion of the buyer population who seek a 1M today, but will not when the M2 comes out. That's a reduction in demand, and thus would result in a reduction in selling price if the supply remains stable. That doesn't mean the 1M won't be a collectors car, and it doesn't mean anyone should sell theirs if they love it. What it does mean is that it's unlikely (not impossible) that support for current sale prices will be maintained as the buyer population is reduced by availability of new models of a similar formula.
__________________
His: 2019 R1250GS - Black
Hers: 2013 X3 28i - N20 Mineral Silver / Sand Beige / Premium, Tech Past: 2013 ///M3 - Interlagos Blue Black M-DCT Past: 2010 135i - TiAg Coral Red 6MT ///M-Sport |
||
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 05:12 PM | #48 | |
Brigadier General
4055
Rep 4,979
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
<b>2023 M5C SRG|Aragon || 2018 Macan GTS</b>
2019 F90 Comp MBB|Black (sold) 2018 F80 ZCP TB|SS (sold) 2015 F30 335 AW|CR (sold) 2015 F31 MG|CR (sold) 2011 E90 JB|Oyster (sold) |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 05:14 PM | #49 |
Private First Class
11
Rep 161
Posts |
The 1M hasn't got any artificial sound
...and most likely one of the last - if not the last - M car allowed to run free with all "safety" tools off.
__________________
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 05:52 PM | #50 |
Captain
118
Rep 898
Posts
Drives: '69 GT3, GT4, 1M, 912
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: SF Bay Area, Shenzhen, Oman
|
Autoblog has a little section on the 1M on their podcast this week, it can be found here around 1:12 in: http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/08/a...g-podcast-375/
Some quotes on the 1M Coupe:
__________________
1M, GT4, 1969 Porsche 911 w/ 997 GT3 Cup Motor (435hp & 2,100 lbs)
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 06:05 PM | #51 |
Captain
66
Rep 813
Posts |
you should buy back.. lol
__________________
21 M5C DD|21 M550 xDrive|05 E46M3 race car 6SPD|2019 2LT Corvette GS 7SPD track car|22 Tundra SR5 TRD Sport|19 Q7 V6 & 22 Q7 2.0T|20 G63|19 Vantage 4.0TT|22 Boxster 25 Year 6SPD sold|08 Porsche Cayman 5SPD sold|18 R8 RWS sold|Many previous cars
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 08:09 PM | #53 | |
First Lieutenant
24
Rep 391
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
Current - 2015 Cayman GTS White Borla Exhaust
Prev - AW 1M #43 USA Meisterschaft, N55 mids, AFE CAI, ER Charge, Wagner IC |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 08:48 PM | #54 | |
Private
0
Rep 88
Posts |
Quote:
I do t think this guy is seeing the same car all over the place. Most likely a 135i. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 08:55 PM | #55 |
Second Lieutenant
10
Rep 287
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 09:01 PM | #57 |
First Lieutenant
17
Rep 324
Posts |
Some modern vehicles have seen increased prices for good examples, such as the Lotus Elise/Exige. Only about 6,000 or so were imported, many have been raced/trashed/modded/wrecked, so the remaining good ones are holding their value.
I bought mine 7+ years ago for low 30's with 2k miles on it. I would say that it would easily bring that same amount today. It gets driven every weekend and if I sold it, I don't know what I would replace it with. The 1M will likely remain a cult car and prices will depend on supply of decent examples for sale and the number of willing buyers, even if the M2 is a hit.
__________________
'11 BMW 335i (Alpine White) M-Sport, Premium, Heated Seats, HK, 6MT, dealer-installed PPK, ER Charge Pipe, Euro Delivery 5/11/2011
'05 Lotus Elise (Arctic Silver) Sport, HT, Stage II, Odyssey PC925, Lotus Cup 240R Wheels '87 Nissan Pickup (Burgandy) King Cab '17 Audi A4 Ultra, Monsoon Grey, Wife's car |
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 10:13 PM | #59 |
Private
0
Rep 60
Posts |
And me.
There seems to be two very different threads here. One is the non 1M owners telling us that values will drop and / or that the car is not so special. The other is the 1M owners who don't care about the price and just love their little monsters for how they perform. Value is not just monetary. I know which camp I am in. |
Appreciate
0
|
04-08-2014, 11:00 PM | #60 |
Brigadier General
2936
Rep 3,285
Posts
Drives: 2002 M5;2007 M Coupe;2020 M2C
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Tucson
|
Yeah, this thread reminds me why I don't have a 1 M. I just cannot get past paying over MSRP for any car (new or used). Now, to be fair, most 1 Ms were fully optioned and closer to $55K list than $45K (the article mentions $15K over list)...and many owners payed a premium over MSRP when new. My buddy owns a 1 M and I've driven it for up to a week at a time. I LOVE this car, such fun. But now the car and tech is 3 years old. As I'm keeping my "old-school" Ms, I want the the latest for the my next addition. If the 1 M had depreciated even slightly I'd probably still buckle, such is my love for the car.
Instead, I'm thinking of trying the F80 M3. More money but it looks to be a spot on car. We'll see. To those of you who own a 1 M - congrats. What a car. Keep it.
__________________
2020 F87 M2C Hockenheim Silver/MT
2002 E39 M5 Sterling Gray/Caramel 2007 E86 Z4M Coupe Silver Gray/Black 2021 Kia Telluride (hauler) |
Appreciate
0
|
04-09-2014, 01:14 AM | #62 |
Colonel
497
Rep 2,400
Posts |
While I have driven the 1m and was a little underwhelmed by it (turbo lag and clutch), there is no doubt it was a special car and will be all about supply/demand (why the the E36 Lightweights have held value even with new models). The 1M is widely recognized as one of the best BMWs out there and the limited supply will keep prices up (or maybe go higher). Has very little to do with the new 2 series generation being better/faster. Was a one-of-a kind moment in BMW's history with an interesting development path, so good car, good story, and limited supply all make for a coveted car.
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-09-2014, 01:37 AM | #63 |
New Member
58
Rep 846
Posts
Drives: 2014 F10 M5
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Orange County/Taiwan
|
come on. car will always drop the value no matter what. But it is not a whole point. The point is you enjoy the car, and the ownership of the car. Some people would still buy it, because I am the one who just got an AW 1M yesterday! I love it, I am gonna ditch my F10 M5 now.
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-09-2014, 01:47 AM | #64 | |
Lieutenant
189
Rep 565
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
'12 Candy Grey Metallic 1M |
|
Appreciate
0
|
04-09-2014, 02:24 AM | #65 | ||
Keepin It Real
35
Rep 563
Posts |
Quote:
__________________
Never Mistake Activity for Achievement Parking lots C Mod 84' |
||
Appreciate
0
|
04-09-2014, 03:20 AM | #66 | ||
Private
10
Rep 69
Posts |
Quote:
In addition many 1M buyers were already M customers when they bought the car so I simply don't see them dumping the car simply because the new ones are out. I do however anticipate a short term downward price adjustment followed by a long term stable upward price adjustment between the 10th and the 15th anniversary of its release. I myself will certainly never sell my baby, and I have had offers for it. |
||
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|