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Can I order a June SOP e90-2 335i for sept while the '07s are still in sop or are the 328xi's sop for '07s the same as '06's?

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by greginaz1

Actually you are confusing me!

I dispute your 06 and 07 E90 order info...I have just been told the current E90 will still be built in June...I have also been retold the E90 335 will start production in September with July ordering.

You need to go back and reread these posts.
I'm quite clear as to what I've said. You're changing your position, it seems, with every new post.

YES, the 2006 E90 will be built in JUNE. If you order a 2006 E90 by the end of May, then OF COURSE your 2006 E90 will be built during June. In fact, depending on production your 2006 E90 may even be built in July.
However, 2007 E90 ordering begins in June of 2006.
According to you, one can order a 2007 E90 335i in June of 2006 to be delivered in Oct. or Nov. because you indicate that production won't begin until Sept.

Again, the new 2007 E90 cars should be on dealer lots this summer
as the new models have come out that way in the past.

It's fine to dispute me, as that is what I've been doing to your info. all along. That is why I'm posing my questions. Your info. does not make sense to me and with your subsequent comments you seem more confused rather than sure.

[stressdoc]

This is beginning to look like a beaten horse. BMW just announced the E92 for Sept deliveries. That is big news, maybe released a little sooner than they had planned as a consequence of the web leak. BMW NA is not letting dealers know about the 2007 E90 yet. At least not on a broad scale. We are all supposed to be hyped and excited about the E92, which we cannot even begin to order for another month or two. If history is our guide, BMW NA does not release info about the details of the next model year until a month or so before orders can be taken, a couple months or so before SOP. So I do not expect any info until June.

And I do not expect any 2007 328 E90 cars on dealer lots until Sept, with the 335 not on dealer lots until Oct.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Wow, a 1 1/2 year run for the 2006 E90, from May 2005 until Oct 2006. I bet they shift to the 323/328 2007 for Sept, and tell us to wait until Nov for the 335. Hence we can order a 328 2007 in late June for Sept delivery. And order a 335 2007 in Sept for a Nov delivery.

That's why it doesn't make sense. It won't be a 1.5 year run as it hasn't been that way before.
The 2006 E90 came out in May/June of 2005. The 2007 E90's are due on the lots this coming June.

His information may be fine for the coupes, but it does not make sense for the sedans. There is a 3 month order/build gap according to his info. unless BMW extends the sedan model year way beyond a year.

[stressdoc]

I seriously doubt that there will be 2007 E90s on dealer lots in June. Late Aug at earliest is my guess. The E90 had an unusual early start in May 2005. That was a special release because of the model change from the E46. Now for the rest of the E90 cycle (until the Fs start), I expect a return to the normal Sept annual change, with occasional mid-year changes as warranted. Then again, the auto industry has seen fit to flaunt traditions in regard to the traditional annual cycles. You can probably buy a 2009 whizmo450xl in May....

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

This is beginning to look like a beaten horse. BMW just announced the E92 for Sept deliveries. That is big news, maybe released a little sooner than they had planned as a consequence of the web leak. BMW NA is not letting dealers know about the 2007 E90 yet. At least not on a broad scale. We are all supposed to be hyped and excited about the E92, which we cannot even begin to order for another month or two. If history is our guide, BMW NA does not release info about the details of the next model year until a month or so before orders can be taken, a couple months or so before SOP. So I do not expect any info until June.

I'm discussing the E90 sedans according to the information being posted on this website and this particular thread.
This is not a dead horse. It is very important to post correct information if you are presenting it as real and factual.
If one is merely guessing, then they need to say so and not say that they have real BMWNA info. If the info. is real, then back it up with real answers to real questions.

As it stands, the 2006 E90 has been our for about a year.
We're being told now that the 2006 model year is being extended for about 6 more months. That brings up a lot of questions.
It may sound like a dead horse if you can't answer the questions.

I'm not posting to get into an argument, I have a real decision to make and thus I'm asking logical questions.
I haven't gotten straight answers yet.
Until further facts or data can be shown, it seems the E90 328/335i sedan info is suspect for being incorrect.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

I seriously doubt that there will be 2007 E90s on dealer lots in June. Late Aug at earliest is my guess. The E90 had an unusual early start in May 2005. That was a special release because of the model change from the E46. Now for the rest of the E90 cycle (until the Fs start), I expect a return to the normal Sept annual change, with occasional mid-year changes as warranted. Then again, the auto industry has seen fit to flaunt traditions in regard to the traditional annual cycles. You can probably buy a 2009 whizmo450xl in May....

Yes, it was early because the new model year typically shows up in June/July. That's what I've seen, I could be wrong. The early start was May. I don't know that the "normal" run for the sedans is September.

Your info and his info don't jibe with each other either.
You say the new sedans will show up in Sept. he says that the new sedans START production in Sept., which means it will take 6-8 weeks to see them. That puts them here in Oct/Nov. not Sept.

See? This is what happens with too much unsubstantiated "insider info".

[stressdoc]

Absolutely. Until there is an official announcement, we do not know for sure what BMW NA is doing. Even folks high inside BMW NA do not know for sure what is going to happen, they have contingency plans for several options. Stuff can happen -- we could bomb Iran or something, putting huge pressures on the global auto industry to shift priorities. That is why we are not going to hear anything official for some time still.

I think Greginaz1 and I agree that the current plan, subject to change, is for the E90 335 to have a SOP in sept. The only slight difference between our positions is that I think we will see the 2007 E90 328 earlier. That is a guess on my part, based on the difficulty that I see in marketing 2006 models for so long. Buyers comparing 2006 E90s with 2007 Lexus, Audi, etc. models in the start of the annual cycle in aug/sept would be turned off. I do not see the delay of the E90 model year for a couple months. The alternative is to continue the 325/330, and add the 335 as it comes on line. If the DI engines/US low sulfur fuel supply were available that might be a reasonable choice -- but I doubt that will happen until next spring at the earliest. That does not fit with the many bits of info about the 328 however. But BMW NA does seem reckless about what it might do to distinguish the E92 from the E90, and maintaining distinct engines for a model year might be their waterloo. Maybe they think they can wait and see how initial sales are in the fall, and make a move mid-year.

[gohawks23]

Originally Posted by RPM90

I did NOT say 2007 E90 orders are being taken now, thus I can't be wrong on that as I didn't say it.
I said, 2006 E90 orders will be taken until May.
Then, in June 2007 E90 orders will be taken for the same 325/330i models, except they will be 2007 model years.



Again, you say that 2007 E90 orders will start in June, great, you are now in agreement about that. However, now you are saying that
2007 E90 orders will be taken in June for September delivery or a 328/335i models. That is 3 months. If that is true, then the dealers should already know about this as that is a little over a month away until the 2007 model year orders. The dealers are NOT saying this. They still have 325/330i models.
Thus, your source and the dealers do not jibe.
I don't see why BMW has not made the dealers aware of this big change if it is indeed coming?

I am disputing the fact you say 07 E90 orders will be taken in June for the 325/330....this is wrong...328/335 orders will be taken in this time frame.

I don't know what you smoke but E92 orders will be taken sometime in June for September delivery. If you read my original post...and nothing has changed since...the E90 328/335 will START production in September with delivery in late October. I was just told this AM that official orders should be taken in late June or July.

[RPM90]

Ok, that's way out there.
Sorry, I disagree with you on insider knowledge. People "high inside BMW NA" do know for sure what's happening. Those out here who claim to have "BMWNA insider info" are the ones who do not know for sure, and should thus say so, Iraq notwithstanding.

I disagree, we will hear official 2007 E90 info. real soon.
As I've said, a number of BMW sales people have told me that 2006 E90 orders end the end of May. That is real. I will try and get concrete ordering info on the 2007 model year.

Also, we got the info on the E92 right? Well, then why would you think BMW would hold out info on the E90?
The E90 is their bread and butter car and those orders need to keep flowing. BMW owners may have vanity, but the company is there to build and sell cars and not engage in cloak and dagger BS.

[Daneel]

Ok, this is a confusing thread, but here is what I understood:

RPM's argument:

Multiple dealers have stated that E90 ordering ends in May 06. And 07 E90s can be ordered from June 06, for delivery in by August 06.

Greginaz's argument:

06 E90s can be ordered till about June 06. Then 07 E90s can be ordered in July 06 for Nov 06 delivery. Until the 07s are delivered in Nov, BMW will be selling the 06 models.

So the point of contention (besides the engine changes) appears to be the information that 06 E90s can be ordered only till May (RPM) or till July-ish (Greginaz).

Stressdoc's analysis as a compromise position appears be that 323 and 328 07s can be ordered from June 06 (jibing somewhat with RPMs information from his dealers), and that the 335 E90 will SOP in september for a Nov delivery.

Is that an accurate summary of everyone's positions?

[RPM90]

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[gohawks23]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Ok, that's way out there.
Sorry, I disagree with you on insider knowledge. People "high inside BMW NA" do know for sure what's happening. Those out here who claim to have "BMWNA insider info" are the ones who do not know for sure, and should thus say so, Iraq notwithstanding.

I disagree, we will hear official 2007 E90 info. real soon.
As I've said, a number of BMW sales people have told me that 2006 E90 orders end the end of May. That is real. I will try and get concrete ordering info on the 2007 model year.

Also, we got the info on the E92 right? Well, then why would you think BMW would hold out info on the E90?
The E90 is their bread and butter car and those orders need to keep flowing. BMW owners may have vanity, but the company is there to build and sell cars and not engage in cloak and dagger BS.

Dude, I frankly don't care what you think or 'know' because your posts have made little sense. I know what I know and this info hasn't been wrong yet.

[stressdoc]

Yep. Daneel has it straight. Now we all wait until we get the real info. rpm90 wants sources and reliability estimates, and it is the nature of the beast that we do not speak of a lady's honor. No need to get angry about it with posters or BMW. We would like to know more, but we cannot.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by greginaz1

Dude, I frankly don't care what you think or 'know' because your posts have made little sense. I know what I know and this info hasn't been wrong yet.

If you don't care, then don't get personal.
I don't smoke anything except tobacco.

My post makes plenty of sense. Simply, you can't answer the questions. You don't even know when the E90 first came out, yet you "know" when the 328/335i sedan will.
Oh wait, you don't know that either.
Your position is that the 328/335 START production Sept. Well, if they start production in Sept. then they will arrive 6-8weeks later, or do you not know that either?

Yes, go read your comments, that is what you said. You said the 328/335 will start production in Sept. thus they can possibly be here until Oct. or Nov. So, if I order a 335 in June, I'll be waiting 4-5 months to get it.

I've wasted my time hoping to get answers to legit questions, instead I get derogatroy comments. It sounds like you're just defending your position and giving no real answers.

[stressdoc]

I do not understand why you guys are angry about this. rpm90, you have greginaz1's position correct in your last post, no 335 delivery until late Oct. I think his order date might be later than your June date. Everyone is just trying to provide the best info they can get with good intentions. No one is trying to mislead or distort information. There are no claims of absolute authority. Just trying to do our best to help each other out.

[SapphireBlackG01]

Originally Posted by RPM90

Now wait. I was told that 2006 E90 orders END this May.
And, non ordered 2007 E90's will be on the lots in June/July, and that's been going on for years with BMW.
Also, I was told that 2007 E90 orders will be taken starting in June and will be filled on normal production schedules, unless there is a car in the "pipeline" that may be had quicker, which again is like always.

The unavailable until Sept. cars are the new E92 coupes which will be the 328 & 335. I think you may have combined the coupe and sedan info accidently?

I bought my 2003 325i in May of 2003. In June/July of 2003, the 2004 E46's were on the lots.
Also, the E90's have been on BMW lots for a year now and the model year is over in a month. Thus, your info seems at odds with what I'm seeing.

Just like the 328i Coupe info was all wrong too, right?

I haven't forgotten you calling someone out and saying something along the lines about how everyone who had mentioned a 328i was wrong, because Europe was getting a 325/330 combo...

Even after the USPR had confirmed a 328/335 lineup.

[gohawks23]

Originally Posted by RPM90

If you don't care, then don't get personal.
I don't smoke anything except tobacco.

My post makes plenty of sense. Simply, you can't answer the questions. You don't even know when the E90 first came out, yet you "know" when the 328/335i sedan will.
Oh wait, you don't know that either.
Your position is that the 328/335 START production Sept. Well, if they start production in Sept. then they will arrive 6-8weeks later, or do you not know that either?

Yes, go read your comments, that is what you said. You said the 328/335 will start production in Sept. thus they can possibly be here until Oct. or Nov. So, if I order a 335 in June, I'll be waiting 4-5 months to get it.

I've wasted my time hoping to get answers to legit questions, instead I get derogatroy comments. It sounds like you're just defending your position and giving no real answers.

Sorry if I made you cry...but you are an idiot...plain and simple.

Look at my earlier posts where I state the 328/335 E90 will SOP in September. I also posted late Oct/early Nov arrival...so yes I do know that! I also said I was told the 335 sedan will probably be orderable in the late June/July timeframe but NOTHING is set in stone!

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Daneel

Ok, this is a confusing thread, but here is what I understood:

RPM's argument:

Multiple dealers have stated that E90 ordering ends in May 06. And 07 E90s can be ordered from June 06, for delivery in by August 06.

Greginaz's argument:

06 E90s can be ordered till about June 06. Then 07 E90s can be ordered in July 06 for Nov 06 delivery. Until the 07s are delivered in Nov, BMW will be selling the 06 models.

So the point of contention (besides the engine changes) appears to be the information that 06 E90s can be ordered only till May (RPM) or till July-ish (Greginaz).

Stressdoc's analysis as a compromise position appears be that 323 and 328 07s can be ordered from June 06 (jibing somewhat with RPMs information from his dealers), and that the 335 E90 will SOP in september for a Nov delivery.

Is that an accurate summary of everyone's positions?

Greg, insists he has BMWNA information that the 2007 E90 will be a 328 and 335i. The 2007 E90 can be ordered in June, but will not be produced unitl Sept., which means it takes 6-8 weeks to get the car, thus it will show up in Oct or Nov.

I say his information needs more clarity and thus I asked him questions about what mulitiple BMW dealers have told me as I am currently shopping to buy or order.
I have been told that I can order a 2006 E90 325/330i up until the end of May, and then the orders go to 2007 models.
Dealers have NO BMWNA information that the 2007 E90 will be any different than the 2006 model year.

The contention is whether Gregs insider info has merit, when the acutal BMW dealers don't even have the alleged 328/335 change over.

Stressdoc- I'm not quite sure what he is getting at.

[gohawks23]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

I do not understand why you guys are angry about this. rpm90, you have greginaz1's position correct in your last post, no 335 delivery until late Oct. I think his order date might be later than your June date. Everyone is just trying to provide the best info they can get with good intentions. No one is trying to mislead or distort information. There are no claims of absolute authority. Just trying to do our best to help each other out.

I'm not mad the guy is just S-L-O-W...

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by xxpaintmepunkxx

Just like the 328i Coupe info was all wrong too, right?

I haven't forgotten you calling someone out and saying something along the lines about how everyone who had mentioned a 328i was wrong, because Europe was getting a 325/330 combo...

Even after the USPR had confirmed a 328/335 lineup.

Yes, I did make that mistake AND I apologized for it.
I didn't call any one person out at all. Plus, that thread was getting personal with those who's opinion were wrong and I had said not to be harsh to those who merely gave their opinion.

I looked up the info I was given and then apologized for my error and comments.
Thanks for bringing it up as if it has any merit here.
Unless of course you're suggesting that others apologize when/if they get it wrong?

Thanks for your support.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by greginaz1

Sorry if I made you cry...but you are an idiot...plain and simple.

Look at my earlier posts where I state the 328/335 E90 will SOP in September. I also posted late Oct/early Nov arrival...so yes I do know that! I also said I was told the 335 sedan will probably be orderable in the late June/July timeframe but NOTHING is set in stone!

I'm sorry if you make yourself look like a fool.

You come here and claim to have insider info. and you obviously don't as now you are backing down and saying "nothing is set in stone". Well, then say that in the beginning you ass, and save the trouble of having to through multiple posts just so you can finally say that you really don't know. THAT was the whole point.
I was asking for clarity, FROM YOU even, and you decided to go personal.