[shragon]

Originally Posted by HRC

All these *official* threads are kinda annoying.

i agree. unless there's a real doc on this page, whether it be a picture, scan, pdf, etc, which shows proof, it's not official.

[bmwbenz0101]

I find it funny that the people that have the 323i really want it to come to the US, while the people in the US dont want the 323i. Here is what I think.

I think the coupe will be 328 and 335 only, while the sedan will be 323i, 328i, and 335i. This is somewhat similar to the five series, six series senario. The sedan has comes in 525, 530, and 550 configurations, while the coupe comes in 650i, and 630i in some regions.This would make sense because this way they could keep the sportier, more expensive image of the coupe, while bringing the three series sedan lower in the market, filling the hole for the one series. Everyone says the new 3 series coupe looks very different from the sedan, so maybe the engines will be different also.

[Pretender]

WTF, why don't they just bring in the new model 335 and keep 325 and 330 to make all e90 customers happy? If they downgrade (rebadge?) the 330 to 328 (or 325 to 323), I'd feel hurt to drive the 330 with 328 badge in the rear. Don't you think?

[HRC]

I have a 330i. If they bring over a 335i, I still have a 330i until I buy a 335i. If they bring over a 328i, I will either have a 330i or a 335i. No hurt feelings from me.

Danny

[stressdoc]

For those of you wondering if the 323 is a good idea, check out what our brothers and sisters to the north are saying:
http://e90post.com/forums/showthread...5&page=2&pp=22

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by HRC

I have a 330i. If they bring over a 335i, I still have a 330i until I buy a 335i. If they bring over a 328i, I will either have a 330i or a 335i. No hurt feelings from me.

Danny

Let me help you realizing how your feelings are going to hurt:

-Cheaper, lower badged 328 will have more or equal power to your 330i.
-Just when we thought 330i is top of the line 3 series(except for M models), here comes 335 with comparative price to 330.
-Our 330i resale value goes bye bye.

OUCH. my feelings are already hurt. somebody disagree please. plesae.

[stressdoc]

They amped the 2.5 l engine several times in the E46 production history. I don't think it ever affected resale of the 'lesser' versions. And I never felt hurt, I was always pleased that BMW was constantly upping the ante. Last thing I want them to do is get stuck in molasses. Direct injection, diesels, bi-turbos, DSL, ceramics, ... Bring it on!

[adr]

I really doubt it. If they put the 323i (rebaged 325i) under 30k, how BWM gonna sell 1-series? Will BMW be willing to price 1-series under 25k?

[stressdoc]

If they bring a 1-series it will be a coupe/cabrio, and priced close to the 323, but targeted at a different buyer.

[akhbhaat]

What's that old adage again? "Never buy first year models?" The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

Can't say I sympathize with anybody who thinks that their 2006 E90 might soon be made obsolete. It may well be (well, if you think a slight change in horsepower and badge makes a car what it is), but not on paper. If BMW uses 323/328 badges, it'll be for a reason: to keep early 325/330 buyers happy. Both of them can say that there's somebody underneath them, at least in terms of badging...though I myself don't understand the fuss behind badges and whatnot.

[DavE90]

First thing in the morning I'm calling my dealer and cancel the order of my 330i, because the 335i is coming!!!!!....But???...wait I also heard that BMW is going to make the 338i, but then I rather wait for the 341i after a couple more years.
C'mon guys just enjoy your cars whatever you have, the world is changing and improving every second.

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

-Cheaper, lower badged 328 will have more or equal power to your 330i.

That's life. Life isn't fair.

-Just when we thought 330i is top of the line 3 series(except for M models), here comes 335 with comparative price to 330.

This wasn't expected? You can't seriously tell me that you thought BMW would spend years trying to fight the 300+ hp G35 and IS350 with a 255 hp 330i...did you?

-Our 330i resale value goes bye bye.

Unlikely. I didn't see an enormous plunge in 328 or 323 resale values when the 330/325 line first debuted. Because of badging, the average consumer is still going to perceive the 328 as inferior to the 330, whether it is or not.

Resale value is such a silly concern with cars. The damn thing depreciates so much anyway that it's like debating the difference between one severed artery or two. Either way, you're losing a lot of blood, and fast.

Reality is this: you can keep waiting for the next best thing (everything changes sooner or later, so no matter how long you wait, your product will eventually be eclipsed or altered in some way or another), or you can indulge yourself now and worry later. I'm only taking the first approach because I'm in no hurry to buy a new car right now anyway.

[kobechrome]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

That's life. Life isn't fair.

This wasn't expected? You can't seriously tell me that you thought BMW would spend years trying to fight the 300+ hp G35 and IS350 with a 255 hp 330i...did you?

Unlikely. I didn't see an enormous plunge in 328 or 323 resale values when the 330/325 line first debuted. Because of badging, the average consumer is still going to perceive the 328 as inferior to the 330, whether it is or not.

Resale value is such a silly concern with cars. The damn thing depreciates so much anyway that it's like debating the difference between one severed artery or two. Either way, you're losing a lot of blood, and fast.

Reality is this: you can keep waiting for the next best thing (everything changes sooner or later, so no matter how long you wait, your product will eventually be eclipsed or altered in some way or another), or you can indulge yourself now and worry later. I'm only taking the first approach because I'm in no hurry to buy a new car right now anyway.

Well said. Most people don't care about the differences between badging and years and minor HP/torque changes. Only us on e90 and other fanatic forums do and that represents likely 5% or less of the BMW market. Therefore no matter what happens with the badging, I see very little effect on resale. This has been proven historically with the 323/328 to 325/330 rebadging on 1999.

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

That's life. Life isn't fair.

This wasn't expected? You can't seriously tell me that you thought BMW would spend years trying to fight the 300+ hp G35 and IS350 with a 255 hp 330i...did you?

Unlikely. I didn't see an enormous plunge in 328 or 323 resale values when the 330/325 line first debuted. Because of badging, the average consumer is still going to perceive the 328 as inferior to the 330, whether it is or not.

Resale value is such a silly concern with cars. The damn thing depreciates so much anyway that it's like debating the difference between one severed artery or two. Either way, you're losing a lot of blood, and fast.

Reality is this: you can keep waiting for the next best thing (everything changes sooner or later, so no matter how long you wait, your product will eventually be eclipsed or altered in some way or another), or you can indulge yourself now and worry later. I'm only taking the first approach because I'm in no hurry to buy a new car right now anyway.

Not good enough to convience me.
And easy for you to say. You don't own soon-to-be-discontinued 325/330i that you just bought few months or even few days back for some members.

Seriously, if 100% of us knew BMW would discontinue current new 325/330, and release different model line-ups for relatively same cost for upper models and cheaper for lower models, you think any of us would have bought the current e90s? I bet more than 80% would say "I would've waited, spend the same amount of money on better deal".

Now that you got me thinking, it makes me feel worse. Anyone wanna try harder?

[stressdoc]

This has been discussed for months on end. Anyone that was concerned and wanted to wait for a year and take a chance the new models were really worth the wait has had plenty of speculative information to make that decision on. Most folks that need a new car go out and get it when they need it. I would have gotten an E90 this past summer if my euro travels had not been cancelled. Now I wait until next summer/early fall.

I will be amazed if the bi-turbo 335 costs the same as the current 330. Looks more likely to be closer to the current E46 M3. That would be consistent with the pricing info that E90fleet provided for RSA.

[DTM]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11693

But then again, this release is "official".

[Accounting4Speed]

Hey Lux, did you go out to Beaverton to wash your car on Monday? I started to put it together after I left, I was the guy washing the black sapphire E90 like mad in front of you. Anyway, I talked to Brian, but keep that on the D/L. He really did show me a production schedule. I dunno why all these folks are so skeptical to believe what I wrote, must be denial. If I could've gotten a copy of the schedule I would have. I guess time will tell, but for those people with a flexible time table for buying their car, I would recommend waiting. After talking to my CA we figured that I will just be exiting my 3 year lease when the 335i will be at the end of it's 2nd full year of production. Which we agreed is perfect timing to trade up so I don't have to worry about all the possible gremlins in the first year model. So I won't be on this forum bitching about not being able to play MP3's or not getting comfort access and not being able to add it, USE A BLEEDING SEARCH to find that out instead of asking questions that clutter things up (that wasn't directed at you Lux, just peopel too lazy to search). Anyway, I've said my peace.

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

Not good enough to convience me.
And easy for you to say. You don't own soon-to-be-discontinued 325/330i that you just bought few months or even few days back for some members.

Easy enough for me to say now, but I have owned a soon-to-be-discontinued model. My 2000 323i was produced in March of 2000. The 325i was available less than six months later.

Or my SL500. I've had it for less than a year and Mercedes-Benz is already advertising the new 2007 SL500 with a double cam 388 hp engine. That's a tremendous boost in power over the old single cam 302 hp unit in my machine. At least I got the 7G-Tronic. Those who bought the first model year R230 have not only the old SOHC V8, but the 5 speed tranny. The 7G (which makes a pretty big difference in acceleration past 60 mph) came into use as early as the 2004 model year. The fact that I have the same badge isn't doing much for my ego...again, I don't care much for badges and status symbols for the sake of status symbols.

As I found out, the 325i wasn't actually that much of an improvement over the 323i...in some ways it was a step down. BMW decreased the steering effort considerably, ruining what I felt was the car's best trait. They also dropped the stiff, responsive electro-mechanical throttle for an early generation DBW system, which (as we all know) had somewhat flaky behavior and had very little pedal feel. On top of this, the 325 was absolutely no faster than the 323 it replaced. I'm more than willing to bet that - worst case scenario - the 328 would be only as fast as your own car, and probably still slower.

The similarly priced 335 will undoubtedly be a lot faster, but that's just the price you pay for being an early adopter.

Seriously, if 100% of us knew BMW would discontinue current new 325/330, and release different model line-ups for relatively same cost for upper models and cheaper for lower models, you think any of us would have bought the current e90s? I bet more than 80% would say "I would've waited, spend the same amount of money on better deal".

Nope, you probably wouldn't have. That's why BMW would be - and still is - keeping this information under tight wraps. If this change is coming for the 2007 model year, there's a chance we might not hear about it "officially" for months. BMW is still going to be building the 325/330 for another four or five months at least, and they don't want to jeopardize those cars. If and when there is a press release, I feel it will probably be somewhat hushed, and only widely spoken about amongst the enthusiast communities.

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

The 325i was available less than six months later.

Or my SL500. I've had it for less than a year and Mercedes-Benz is already advertising the new 2007 SL500 with a double cam 388 hp engine.

Ok, now I see where you are coming from. YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND my pain then. Be honest, you are human, and I bet you went through the same "W.T.F".

Like you said, I guess this is life. crying doesn't work.

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by Accounting4Speed

Hey Lux, did you go out to Beaverton to wash your car on Monday? I started to put it together after I left, I was the guy washing the black sapphire E90 like mad in front of you. Anyway, I talked to Brian, but keep that on the D/L. He really did show me a production schedule. I dunno why all these folks are so skeptical to believe what I wrote, must be denial. If I could've gotten a copy of the schedule I would have. I guess time will tell, but for those people with a flexible time table for buying their car, I would recommend waiting. After talking to my CA we figured that I will just be exiting my 3 year lease when the 335i will be at the end of it's 2nd full year of production. Which we agreed is perfect timing to trade up so I don't have to worry about all the possible gremlins in the first year model. So I won't be on this forum bitching about not being able to play MP3's or not getting comfort access and not being able to add it, USE A BLEEDING SEARCH to find that out instead of asking questions that clutter things up (that wasn't directed at you Lux, just peopel too lazy to search). Anyway, I've said my peace.

Hahaha, that was you huh! Yeah, that was my car and my girlfriend. I had to wash her Mini cooper, so I just did mine together. It was friggin cold though. You were washing so carefully, I was like, "damn, I wasn't the only one.". I came back home and researched. Only guy in this board with black E90 in oregon was you but your location was all the way in Lake Oswego, so I got confused. Well it was nice seeing you, and your black e90 was so damn sexy after the car wash, especially under those lights, paint was sparkling. I wanted to have a quick chat with you afterwards(to see if you were on this board ) but you just left, so I thought you were busy or something.

Don't worry about the dealership. I am not even going to mention your name or the CA. That way, I know if these guys all know what they are talking about. Don't worry about people being skeptical in this board, there were so many damn fake rumors before, so even when real info comes in, nowdays people just get stressed. Thanks for the update though. I am actually in similar situation as you. I thought about transferring the finance payments and trade the e90 in for M roadster when it comes out later this year, but I want to wait now. Only time will tell.

-sean

ps: we should do a photoshoot when weather gets better in few months. Black and White is the best combo!

[DTM]

Wait wait wait... is this OFFICIAL??????????

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by DTM

Wait wait wait... is this OFFICIAL??????????

I see that you don't have E90 yet.

Are you waiting for 330i or higher model to come out?
then yes, wait for it. It will come out, and it will be worth it.