BMW 1M / M1 Feedback.

[Robert]

I really want the M5.

[MarcusDubya77]

I would take the M5 with v10 Manual option. I know they are scarce. I heard the exhaust tone on a few, and it was sick!!! I have seen a few unmolested for around 40-50K.

[sparoz]

Hi Scott, thanks for all the information.

I just want to know if BMW would introduce 'pre-cog' on the DCT like the McLaren, as it should be a relatively simple program to allow the driver to preselect the gears rather than letting the computer to do all the guessing.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by MarcusDubya77

I would take the M5 with v10 Manual option. I know they are scarce. I heard the exhaust tone on a few, and it was sick!!! I have seen a few unmolested for around 40-50K.

And you would be very disappointed. The E60 M5 w/ MT is the M5 that M Division wants to forget. It sucked donkey balls.

Man, I have been looking at the 2011 Ford Mustang 5.0, in black---damn. Makes you wonder, 412 hp, 390 torques, 0-60 mid 4s, around what 35k? But the 1M will be around 50k, and 0-60 mid 4s, and will handle around the track? Is that a bargain? or is the Mustang the real bargain.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Man, I have been looking at the 2011 Ford Mustang 5.0, in black---damn. Makes you wonder, 412 hp, 390 torques, 0-60 mid 4s, around what 35k? But the 1M will be around 50k, and 0-60 mid 4s, and will handle around the track? Is that a bargain? or is the Mustang the real bargain.

///M badge look better than Mustang badge, and this is all that matters these days.



To SCOTT:

Will BMW M, even by going FI, still build some special engines: high reving (max 9.000 rpm), powerful, torquy, efficient, responsive (without turbo lag)?
Mercedes AMG is working on a V6 Comprex, Pressure Wave Supercharger, having both advatanges of a supercharger and a turbocharger (comprex has no turbo lag). This engine is going to be light, powerful, torquy, efficient and responsive.

[Spartikus]

Originally Posted by Levi

///M badge look better than Mustang badge, and this is all that matters these days.



To SCOTT:

Will BMW M, even by going FI, still build some special engines: high reving (max 9.000 rpm), powerful, torquy, efficient, responsive (without turbo lag)?
Mercedes AMG is working on a V6 Comprex, Pressure Wave Supercharger, having both advatanges of a supercharger and a turbocharger (comprex has no turbo lag). This engine is going to be light, powerful, torquy, efficient and responsive.

Perhaps that is all what matters to you. Not everyone is obsessed with what other people think. At the end of the day its the individual paying the payments, repair costs, insurance, etc.

Scott already answered that question. BMW is out of that high revving NA motor business for now. That means zero production cars. Does it really matter if they still build "some" that the public will never get to buy?

[hkm3]

INKA ORANGE + DCT

[MarcusDubya77]

The Mustang is a really sweet deal, and it, too, has a strong following like BMW's. Why you you think they have kept a live axle on it for so long? That's what the followers want to stand out from the crowd. Its what makes it a Mustang. In the end of the day its all going to be about choice. Also for those wanting some individuality with their Mustangs can get the dealer installed RTR package.

[penny]

Originally Posted by Primo135

Scott - Would you personally buy a lightly equipped 1M or base M3 next summer if car shopping?

^ That (Primo135's question)

[sparoz]

Scott has specifically asked us to avoid debate here numerous time in this thread - do you think the fact that he tend to answer the other forum and not this one has to something to do with this?

Do the mods think we need to do something about this and delete those replies? Everyone want the questions answered!!!

[Hairlesswookiee]

Originally Posted by formula M

I think BMW is right now.


Back when the community was given the 135i, it was compared to many cars & the 135i held it's own. Heck.. it went toe-to-toe with the Cayman S and matched up pretty well.

Then, people unlocked the engine ECU and got into the tuning aspect and soon found out how damn capable this little N54 was. Some people had 450HP pumping out of these things in no time. The engine pretty tough too. Not too many are blowing up.. etc.

So, why do you guy still believe that this M turbo coupe is only going to have 360hp..?




BMW's M-Division is not going to keep using the term "boy racer" at every opportunity, if they weren't hinting at the American GT...! Glance over the spec sheet for the Mustang, Camaro & Charger, etc..

But non of those^ "muscle cars" are done right. They are bloated pigs to start with and use massive engines.

Now insert a 3.3K lbs BMW, with a 390hp/400ft-lbs of tq.. powered by a lightweight, bi-turbo euro 6-banger..? With more torque than any of them, but delivered in an ultra refined chassis and world class M balance..?

Meant for the track? Club racer?



The //M turbo coupe is BMW's new tossible car. An efficient highway bomber and track star. Fat, squat & full of torque. A euro-vette. That has prodigious capabilities and excellent fuel efficiencies, but handles incredibly well and is easily tossible and stable & trustworthy.

I think we all agree that a M-division refined S55 can easily be preped to deliver 450 horsepower, if that is what M was going after, but it is not.
The right balance is, though. I expect at least 390 horsepower/400ft-lbs of tq @ 30MPG.

With a chassis that can hold 1g on the skid pad.


FWIW... I don' think the current mustang, in any iteration, has a chance against a European boy racer, designed by one of the best specialty tuners in the world.!

I like everything I've seen so far with the 1M/M1. I don't really care about pure HP numbers because the aftermarket will surely nullify any problems one might have with the stock power.

[Evice]

you are dreaming my friend.

[Robert]

Dont think 135i can go toe-to-toe with a Cayman S. Definitely not the Gen2 Cayman S with PDK. In a flat out drag race in stock form, maybe.

[burrito007]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

And you would be very disappointed. The E60 M5 w/ MT is the M5 that M Division wants to forget. It sucked donkey balls.

Man, I have been looking at the 2011 Ford Mustang 5.0, in black---damn. Makes you wonder, 412 hp, 390 torques, 0-60 mid 4s, around what 35k? But the 1M will be around 50k, and 0-60 mid 4s, and will handle around the track? Is that a bargain? or is the Mustang the real bargain.

what are you talking about?

sales figures? the fact that the car was introduced in a terrible economy?

The e60 M5 was an amazing car - one that even impressed Jeremy Clarkson. It will still outrun any of those muscle-cars and put up a good fight against the outgoing z06s. Stock mid-low 12s in the quarter and amazing on the track out of the box. with mods easily 11 seconds 1/4

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by burrito007

what are you talking about?

sales figures? the fact that the car was introduced in a terrible economy?

The e60 M5 was an amazing car - one that even impressed Jeremy Clarkson. It will still outrun any of those muscle-cars and put up a good fight against the outgoing z06s. Stock mid-low 12s in the quarter and amazing on the track out of the box. with mods easily 11 seconds 1/4

Nobody but you then is impressed by the MT E60 m5, and clarkson hated it, so did most of the mags over here. Matter of fact Motortrend set up a fixed contest of the MT M5 vs the CTS-V, knowing full well that the MT didn't exploit the M5's engine fully. Car and Driver, Road and Track and Car magazine hated it. And so did a guy at the local dealership. They like the SMG better, even though the herky-jerky of the thing. Americans wanted a MT, and they got it, as Scott said, it's the version the M5 BMW wants to forget.

[Evice]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Nobody but you then is impressed by the MT E60 m5, and clarkson hated it, so did most of the mags over here. Matter of fact Motortrend set up a fixed contest of the MT M5 vs the CTS-V, knowing full well that the MT didn't exploit the M5's engine fully. Car and Driver, Road and Track and Car magazine hated it. And so did a guy at the local dealership. They like the SMG better, even though the herky-jerky of the thing. Americans wanted a MT, and they got it, as Scott said, it's the version the M5 BMW wants to forget.

Sorry fella, you are wrong. M5 is pure joy, everyone knows it.

And real point is, this is 1MCoupe thread, let's get back on track.

Regards,

[Robert]

Originally Posted by burrito007

what are you talking about?

sales figures? the fact that the car was introduced in a terrible economy?

The e60 M5 was an amazing car - one that even impressed Jeremy Clarkson. It will still outrun any of those muscle-cars and put up a good fight against the outgoing z06s. Stock mid-low 12s in the quarter and amazing on the track out of the box. with mods easily 11 seconds 1/4

I think that comment on E60M5 is something M division likes to put behind it is from Scott, the bmw marketing person. The only aspect of E60 I didn't like is the fact its not soothing to the eye.

[SCOTT26]

The comments relate entirely to the US only Manual Gearbox equivalent of the M5 , A transmission the M5 did not really need.
In Munich there are more detractors than supporters of the manual M5
The SMG equipped M5 was all the M5 you would ever need I have a M5 Touring and I can live with the SMG on a day-day basis.

[PrimoM3]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The comments relate entirely to the US only Manual Gearbox equivalent of the M5 , A transmission the M5 did not really need.
In Munich there are more detractors than supporters of the manual M5
The SMG equipped M5 was all the M5 you would ever need I have a M5 Touring and I can live with the SMG on a day-day basis.

Sweet avatar... is that you and my car at Ascari?

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I have a M5 Touring and I can live with the SMG on a day-day basis.

I've always wondered what car(s) you own.

[sparoz]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The comments relate entirely to the US only Manual Gearbox equivalent of the M5 , A transmission the M5 did not really need.
In Munich there are more detractors than supporters of the manual M5
The SMG equipped M5 was all the M5 you would ever need I have a M5 Touring and I can live with the SMG on a day-day basis.

So, the answer from Scott is - no, he won't get the 1M himself. .

[as7920]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The comments relate entirely to the US only Manual Gearbox equivalent of the M5 , A transmission the M5 did not really need.
In Munich there are more detractors than supporters of the manual M5
The SMG equipped M5 was all the M5 you would ever need I have a M5 Touring and I can live with the SMG on a day-day basis.

Do you also have a 135i or is that the other Scott/Guido?