135i = Worst Predicted Reliability

[Judge]

These threads seem to produce two dominating positions:

A. I don't regret buying the 135; it's a sweet car and debating resale value is stupid because all cars depreciate and I'm in it for the long run and for the most part my experience has been worth it.

B. I leased it. Even though I have nothing to be ashamed of, every time there's a new thread about the hpfp or reliability issues I will make the point that I leased and that I'm so glad I leased.

[FactorX81]

Originally Posted by Judge

These threads seem to produce two dominating positions:

A. I don't regret buying the 135; it's a sweet car and debating resale value is stupid because all cars depreciate and I'm in it for the long run and for the most part my experience has been worth it.

B. I leased it. Even though I have nothing to be ashamed of, every time there's a new thread about the hpfp or reliability issues I will make the point that I leased and that I'm so glad I leased.

A.
B.

I'm with A bye the way.

[hpowders]

Originally Posted by pinmagic

Huh? What the heck does "100% below average" mean? That would be a zero.

I think it means everyone (100%) who gets a new 135i can expect to have at least one problem with it.

Hopefully the N55 version will be better.

Meanwhile the HPFP fiasco in all x35i models, has dragged BMW close to the bottom of carmakers in the latest CR reliability survey.

[italia4]

JD Power rates the 2010 new car quality of the 135 "below the industry average"

...but they rate performance as "among the best"

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by italia4

JD Power rates the 2010 new car quality of the 135 "below the industry average"

...but they rate performance as "among the best"

Haha... I saw that too...

[FactorX81]

Originally Posted by italia4

JD Power rates the 2010 new car quality of the 135 "below the industry average"

...but they rate performance as "among the best"

Sounds about right thats how I filled out the survey.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by JHOOPS2

The irony of this, being that BMW's are supposed to have good residual value is that I just sold my 2004 Mustang Cobra for $27.5K (US) and only paid $28K for it back in 2004 brand new.

-Jeff

But, as a whole brand they do. Ford as a whole does not.
The Cobra is a "specialty" model that carries a higher resale. Still, you can't use one particular model and compare it to a whole brand.]

Some of you seem to be new to BMW's "reliability" and their reverse resale.
BMW's have typically always scored low on reliability, except for some 3 series, yet they hold value pretty well given how low they score.
Odd. But, it's a brand that holds appeal regardless.

The recent ABC new story certainly won't help the resale of the 135i.
+10 for leasing!
Resale for my 135i is BMW's problem, cause they created it.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by maxnix

Chart way too small for legibility.

Anyway, what really matters is actual historical reliability, and to assess that accurately will require at least 2 more years just for the 08.

Hold down the "ctrl" button and use your scroll wheel, or slider on touch pad, up or down to enlarge or reduce the size.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Judge

These threads seem to produce two dominating positions:

A. I don't regret buying the 135; it's a sweet car and debating resale value is stupid because all cars depreciate and I'm in it for the long run and for the most part my experience has been worth it.

B. I leased it. Even though I have nothing to be ashamed of, every time there's a new thread about the hpfp or reliability issues I will make the point that I leased and that I'm so glad I leased.

C. I like leasing cause I like to drive a different car every 2-3yrs.
Since the market for used cars can be volatile, I'd rather know what I'm in for before I make the deal. Resale value is now the manufacturers problem, as it depends on how well they made the car. So, I get to spend my time enjoying my sweet car and then freely shopping for my next one.

To those who like to bash leasing:
Bashing someone for THEIR decision on how to own a vehicle is as dumb as debating that vanilla is better than chocolate. The decision on how to pay for a car is a personal one, so if one feels like they need to get personally negative, then they need a new hobby and/or a life tuneup. When you make my payments then you can have a valid point on how I own my car.
Til then, it's nun ya damn bizness.

[1trip5]

Originally Posted by MB135i

In July of this year I bought my 08 135i as a CPO with 12k miles on it for $29,000 OTD.

Original MSRP was $38,500


I now have 15k miles on it on it. No major issues, one cracked rim, and a few open recalls done (not the HPFP).

Id say in a private sale the car is now worth $27k and $25k trade in. I don't expect it to fall much more over the next year. When I do trade it in for a CPO M3 or S5 in Spring of 2012 i'll prob get like $21k trade in on it.

Thats only a $8k loss on it over 20months = $400 per month out of pocket and I had a car covered under warranty and maintenance plans.

Seems like a better value than leasing, cause a 24month lease is gonna cost you $600 per month within nothin down.

Its definitely the best value to own these cars after the initial year or two of depreciation. That way you still have a car 100% covered by BMW but pay a fraction of the cost. Basically outperforming the others around you that buy them brand new in terms of loosing less equity.

We think alike. Just picked up my 08 w/ 13k miles for 29K. Sticker was just over 40K new. Do yourself a huge favor and buy a 1-2 year old bmw.

[BBBluey]

So, who want's a full refund? I think it should be offered -- except to those who lease.

[hpowders]

CR also rated the 135i coupe among the best sporty cars they've tested, giving it 97 out of 100 points.
They don't recommend it because reliability according to their survey, sucks big time.

[Brad135]

Originally Posted by BBBluey

So, who want's a full refund? I think it should be offered -- except to those who lease.

I'm in if BMW replaces the 1er for a M3 since it doesn't have a turbo.

Otherwise, I'm going to keep the bucket of bolts because I'm in LUV.

[JHOOPS2]

Originally Posted by RPM90

But, as a whole brand they do. Ford as a whole does not.
The Cobra is a "specialty" model that carries a higher resale. Still, you can't use one particular model and compare it to a whole brand.]

Some of you seem to be new to BMW's "reliability" and their reverse resale.
BMW's have typically always scored low on reliability, except for some 3 series, yet they hold value pretty well given how low they score.
Odd. But, it's a brand that holds appeal regardless.

The recent ABC new story certainly won't help the resale of the 135i.
+10 for leasing!
Resale for my 135i is BMW's problem, cause they created it.

I know, I know. I was just being facetious.

[ptack]

Originally Posted by FactorX81

how is this different than the 335i/335is etc etc. its not only a 135 problem I think this probably has more to do with the problems of the 135i itself not as much N54.

My only guess about that is that 135is tend to be driven harder than 335is which I also suspect accelerates the HPFP failure. Otherwise there shouldn't be much of a difference. In fact, we have no idea if the 135i (small volume car) has just a hair more reported failures than the 335i which probably outsells it by quite a large amount. That's the problem with these types of reports.

[FJUNO78]

This is really nothing surprising. I for one am not pleased with the problems, but to me, it is worth it over the experience the n52 brings to the table. Most of us here knew about the HPFP debacle before getting their car. I did, and I put a greater value on performance than reliability. Would I like both, yes... But as the saying goes, you cant always get what you want.

I loved my e92 328i coupe... But after getting used to the 135i, I do not miss it in the slightest. Don't get me wrong it was a nice car and all, but they are totally different machines.

[Mr. Clarkson]

Originally Posted by BBBluey

So, who want's a full refund? I think it should be offered -- except to those who lease.

Yeah!

And they should offer everyone an additional $100,000 for any mental anguish for possibly having to have service done to the car!

And the CEO should come to my house and cook me an expensive dinner and provide me with a high-class hooker because I had to use a loaner car one time!

I think it should be offered.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by ptack

My only guess about that is that 135is tend to be driven harder than 335is which I also suspect accelerates the HPFP failure. Otherwise there shouldn't be much of a difference. In fact, we have no idea if the 135i (small volume car) has just a hair more reported failures than the 335i which probably outsells it by quite a large amount. That's the problem with these types of reports.

I drive my 1er pretty hard and with 46K miles im still doing awesome.

[Mindgame]

I was too thrilled about getting such a great car I didn't consider resale value.

Rattles or not...I love my 135.

[pinmagic]

Problems with the car? Hey, I owned a Lotus - you can't scare me.

[JHOOPS2]

Originally Posted by pinmagic

Problems with the car? Hey, I owned a Lotus - you can't scare me.

Ha ha! Classic!

[italia4]

Even after all of this, I can't think of another car I'd rather buy. I live close by to the dealer and they provide loaners, the car will be under warranty during the entire lease...hopefully the N55 design will trigger less problems...