135i is Hagerty Top 10 Future Collector Car

[rsjean]

Originally Posted by DBFIU

True, solid state electronics are exactly that. SOLID state, meaning no moving parts. They are for the most part very reliable, set it and forget it type of thing. In a perfect universe, that is.

I guess my first question to someone in 50 years would be..

Where are you gonna get a stock ECU for a 2009 135i?

Just playing devils advocate

Probably the same place you'd get a front grille for a nice MGB restore today?

And this plastic VS metal thing intimating that todays cars won't last as long? Plastic is a worse landfill nightmare than metal any day - it will be there for ya forever....

[Xyloft]

Originally Posted by Nick@Jlevi SW

I've thought the exact same thing. Cars these days with all the plastic interior bits and electronics are not built to last 50 years. They are more reliable than they were in the past but I find that older cars are built more solidly as people kept them for 15 years or so. Now a days, people flip leases every 3 years so they don't car about wear and tear beyond that.

current collector cars werent built to last 50 years either that's why alot of them are restored. I think the fact that a lot of them also got crushed also contributed.

my guess is current limited production hi perfomance cars cars like the STI, SVT Cobra, etc will be collector cars. i think our current trend towards a new car every few years will also contribute to the lack of 2000's era cars in 2050.

for all we know EVERY car now could be a collector because it may just be the last generation of pure internal combustion engines.

as far as finding electronic parts in the future to make things work, it'll be a small niche industry like the ones that sell parts for Model T's etc. I'm assume people 50 years more advanced will be able to re-create a circuit board in their garage using an at home automated circuit design kit </sci-fi>. at the very minimum they'll be able to reverse engineer something.

[Nicky G]

Internal combustion engines will be illegal to run on streets in 50 years, you heard it here first!

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by Nicky G

Internal combustion engines will be illegal to run on streets in 50 years, you heard it here first!

Naw.

You might see some mileage restriction on cars with ICEs, but I doubt you see them banned outright. We haven't seen any bans on pre-emmissions standard vehicles.

[Nicky G]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

Naw.

You might see some mileage restriction on cars with ICEs, but I doubt you see them banned outright. We haven't seen any bans on pre-emmissions standard vehicles.

That may be true, but you are not counting on the alien zombie cyborg overlords who will take over in 2037, and just so happen to be allergic to the fumes emitted by internal combustion engines.

[singular]

Originally Posted by DBFIU

Hahaha,

Imagine getting a hold of a JB3 in 50 years.

You would be the baddest kid on the block.

Maybe by then they'll work out all the kinks in the flux capacitor.

Of course the HPFP will still fail.

[DBFIU]

Originally Posted by singular

Maybe by then they'll work out all the kinks in the flux capacitor.

Of course the HPFP will still fail.

In 50 years, I'm just gonna drop a continuum transfunctionizer in my 135i.

It makes 874,500 RWHP and 1,690,770 RWTQ and runs off of uranium pellets.

That's if I'm not drooling on myself in my wheelchair, in 50 years.

[mkppk]

Hm, I agree the 2008 1er might become a classic, but I don't know how much stock I put in the author's opinions, did you check out the rest of the list?

Acura TSX #1? Is there ANYTHING special about that car?.. Pontiac G8? Anyone else agree?


1. Acura TSX: This could be the car that the young “tuner car” enthusiasts of today choose to purchase as their “tuner collector” of tomorrow.

2. BMW 1-Series Twin Turbo: This is a new car launch that has the right ingredients: superior engineering, affordable price, nimble and fast performance.

3. Chevrolet Camaro: Just like the new Mustang and Challenger, this is a retro throwback that will stand out as a collectible bowtie down the road.

4. Dodge Challenger SRT: Mopar enthusiasts have been waiting a long time for this much anticipated tribute to one of the icons of the muscle car era.

5. Ford Flex: This is a different (and we think cool) vehicle for Ford this year. It is edgier than the Edge, and still caters to the growing crowd who cannot decide between a station wagon, mini-van or SUV.

6. Ford Mustang: The 2010 Mustang will be available in early 2009. Even though this is a refresh of the current retro model, it has features never before offered on a Mustang. The interior creature comforts such as dual climate control, impressive stereo/navigation systems, and a back-up camera make this more than just an American muscle car.

7. Mini Clubman S: The Clubman is a slightly larger version of the already popular Mini. Mix this new model with the performance of the “S” model Mini and we’re certain this will have a following by collector car enthusiasts.

8. Pontiac G8 GXP: This new affordable family sedan with a 0-60 time of 4.7 seconds definitely stands out in a segment filled with many not-so-exciting competitors.

9. Pontiac Solstice GXP Coupe: The Solstice has been out for several years now, but only in the form of a convertible. The convertible has been positively received and we predict the first year for the new Coupe version will stand out in the future as well.

10. Nissan 370Z: Throughout the nearly 40-year history of the Z car, these always seem to gain collectible status. The new 370Z appears much less an evolution of the previous 350Z and more of a tribute to the original Z car design. We like this Z and expect you will too.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by DBFIU

True, solid state electronics are exactly that. SOLID state, meaning no moving parts. They are for the most part very reliable, set it and forget it type of thing. In a perfect universe, that is.

I guess my first question to someone in 50 years would be..

Where are you gonna get a stock ECU for a 2009 135i?

Just playing devils advocate

Solid state electronics might last a long time, but the electrolytic capacitors that the circuit boards are strewn with won't. The number 1 cause of dead PC motherboards and power supplies are capacitor failures.

Terrible list though, really...

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by Nicky G

Internal combustion engines will be illegal to run on streets in 50 years, you heard it here first!

RUSH's (the band) "Red Barchetta" told of the same theme, and they played about it in the 70's.
Sorry, you aren't first.

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by chris719

Solid state electronics might last a long time, but the electrolytic capacitors that the circuit boards are strewn with won't. The number 1 cause of dead PC motherboards and power supplies are capacitor failures.

Terrible list though, really...

And fairly simple to replace for a skilled tech, which are and will be plentiful then too.

[I'm1of'M]

I just restored a 1970 Fiat 124 spider.
2 years, a full electrical upgrade, motor and tranny rebuild.
I open the hood and I know where every little nut and bolt resides.
We only covered the floor in one bay of my garage to do the work.

I look inside the hood of my 135...and just close it back down.
Even my 318ti is a bear to get parts for.

I just don't see collector cars being the same in even 10 years.
What, all gas engines will be collector cars cause all new cars will be electric?

[DBFIU]

Where did you get parts for that Fiat?

[spellbmw]

Originally Posted by bluejaypanther

I agree, it seems ridiculous to speculate on an item which, 99% of the time, depreciates along a well known curve. If you hold onto it for 20+ years, it's because you love it, not because you see it as an investment.

+1

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by Nicky G

That may be true, but you are not counting on the alien zombie cyborg overlords who will take over in 2037, and just so happen to be allergic to the fumes emitted by internal combustion engines.

It's all going to end in 2012 anyway.

[I'm1of'M]

DBFIU -
It is actually very easy to get parts for the FIAT. So many have been parted out over the years...International auto parts has almost anything I need, or else E-bay.
I had to wait 2 months for a head gasket, but other than that its a snap.
My 318ti is a mess...now it needs a new gasket of some sort.

[Feyd]

Check out this video. Someone made a comment about current cars being built to be safer, etc.

Semi OT, but worth a look.

This is gnarly... especially coupled with no seatbelts.

[cagekicker]

cool!

[PKT RKT]

Looks like this Hagerty article timed out. Does anyone have a copy of it?

[Happy Jose]

One day the 135i will occupy the same position the 2002 enjoys today. Like the 2002, it won't be worth any big money.

[duder13]

Originally Posted by Happy Jose

One day the 135i will occupy the same position the 2002 enjoys today. Like the 2002, it won't be worth any big money.

FWIW, over 5x more 2002s were produced in the US vs. the E82, and the 135i is only a fraction of those E82s. If we’re talking a 135i coupe with a manual, we’re probably talking closer to 2002 Tii production numbers, and nice versions of the Tii go in the $30k-$50k range these days...so who knows?!?! FWIW, the E82 sales numbers in the US are also considerably lower than any era of 3-series BMW. The sales numbers of the E82 are closer to Porsche 911 sales numbers from the same time period, so their relative rarity may be a good thing years down the road. It’s already getting a little tough to find a good 135i M-sport manuals, but we’ll see!

[Happy Jose]

A car's popularity isn't determined by how rare it's. There are plenty of worthless rare vehicles. It's a function of its panache. The E82 wasn't a sales success for BMW, and the Two isn't doing much better.

The only collectible BMWs are the Z8, some CSLs, and some of the M performance cars post 2002. You have to distinguish between collectible and enthusiast cars.