BMW 1M / M1 Feedback.

PrimoM3 · 03-11-2010, 05:10 PM

Scott - Thanks for the information. Keep it coming! Also, give Dr. Segler a high-five or a hug for me. What a guy!

Oulixes · 03-11-2010, 05:12 PM

Thanks, Scott26.

antzcrashing · 03-11-2010, 05:49 PM

please stop the pricing drama! It is just speculation.

Thanks for the answers scott.

trahsub · 03-11-2010, 07:27 PM

Sounds good about the car, but let's be realistic here about attracting a younger generation. Sounds like this car is going to hover around the 50 thousand dollar mark, and short of young adults that are subsidized by their wealthy parents, they are not going to be luring kids away from their STIs, EVOs, even 370Zs and Mustangs.

$50,000 and 'affordable' should not be used in the same sentence.

AlBel1214 · 03-11-2010, 07:29 PM

^^^ +1000... Christ even a 40K 135i is pushing it for being affordable for a young 20 something year old...

Norsk · 03-11-2010, 08:20 PM

The 1M looks like a very promising little weekend racer.

Yearofthe1 · 03-11-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by trahsub

Sounds good about the car, but let's be realistic here about attracting a younger generation. Sounds like this car is going to hover around the 50 thousand dollar mark, and short of young adults that are subsidized by their wealthy parents, they are not going to be luring kids away from their STIs, EVOs, even 370Zs and Mustangs.

$50,000 and 'affordable' should not be used in the same sentence.

There's plenty of "young adults" that work their asses off to get where they are. Not every 20-sum year old is subsidized by Daddy. Take my situation - dual income household, no kids (and no plans for them), no debt, low mortgage payment, disposable income, enjoys the finer things (like an M1) - that can't be that rare, can it? Combined with the silver spoons and "older" enthusiasts, I'd say that's a plenty big enough pool of consumers for this car.

BTW, the group of cars you put forth have never been on any list of mine.

ARES45 · 03-11-2010, 08:56 PM

I'm in the same boat, mid twenties, dual income, low mortgage, never having kids, i would buy this while deployed if I can get it at the military sales price. Or we might buy a plane and make the 135 into an m1

trahsub · 03-11-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Yearofthe1

There's plenty of "young adults" that work their asses off to get where they are. Not every 20-sum year old is subsidized by Daddy. Take my situation - dual income household, no kids (and no plans for them), no debt, low mortgage payment, disposable income, enjoys the finer things (like an M1) - that can't be that rare, can it? Combined with the silver spoons and "older" enthusiasts, I'd say that's a plenty big enough pool of consumers for this car.

BTW, the group of cars you put forth have never been on any list of mine.

You are the exception, most 20 something year old kids tooling around in 50 thousand dollar cars are subsidized by daddy, whether it's maw and paw buying the car, or maw and paw providing the roof they live under.

If you're not living paycheck to pay check and are putting away at least 10% a year in an investment vehicle for retirement, then sure go for it.

I'm curious what your list of cars is - i find there is a huge void in the 30k to 40k range for fun cars. I just noticed that the four I mentioned actually come with LSDs too!

adrean8j · 03-11-2010, 11:20 PM

^^^Umm...most of the cars you mentioned ARE in the 30-40k range...

jeremyc74 · 03-12-2010, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by trahsub

Sounds good about the car, but let's be realistic here about attracting a younger generation. Sounds like this car is going to hover around the 50 thousand dollar mark, and short of young adults that are subsidized by their wealthy parents, they are not going to be luring kids away from their STIs, EVOs, even 370Zs and Mustangs.

$50,000 and 'affordable' should not be used in the same sentence.

I think the point was "more" affordable than the M3, which is currently the cheapest offering and is $60k.

I don' think anyone should reasonably expect the M1 to compete with the Evo or STi on price and performance.

Also, when they say they want to move into a younger market, I don't read that as a desire to have people in their early 20s as the target demogpraphic. I think it means they'd like to make the car more accessable for people other then wealthy 60 year olds, who are the primary buyers of M3s and M5s.

BBK · 03-12-2010, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by trahsub

Sounds good about the car, but let's be realistic here about attracting a younger generation. Sounds like this car is going to hover around the 50 thousand dollar mark, and short of young adults that are subsidized by their wealthy parents, they are not going to be luring kids away from their STIs, EVOs, even 370Zs and Mustangs.

$50,000 and 'affordable' should not be used in the same sentence.

If you think that $50k is a lot try moving to another country! In Australia base 135i will set you back $72k. The M1 will end up being in the $100-$110k mark here! Our $ is 92US cents for crying out loud...

I am 28 and my car cost me $86k, we had a small 1 series meet last night and 5 out of the 7 that came were under 30... We work hard for our cars, but yes, we probably are on the higher income scale than most our age...

trahsub · 03-12-2010, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

I think the point was "more" affordable than the M3, which is currently the cheapest offering and is $60k.

Also, when they say they want to move into a younger market, I don't read that as a desire to have people in their early 20s as the target demogpraphic. I think it means they'd like to make the car more accessable for people other then wealthy 60 year olds, who are the primary buyers of M3s and M5s.

I hear you, but at 50 grand does it shift the buying base that much? It's probably no achievable, but if BMW could price this thing in the 40s then it really would shift the base to a younger demographic.

Now how can they make money with the performance we demand? Bares bones interior - no nav, basic stereo with CD/aux jack, no electronic this or that, non power seats, etc . . . If they want this to be the spiritual sucessor to the E30M3, here's a good direction to go.

jeremyc74 · 03-12-2010, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by trahsub

Now how can they make money with the performance we demand? Bares bones interior - no nav, basic stereo with CD/aux jack, no electronic this or that, non power seats, etc . . . If they want this to be the spiritual sucessor to the E30M3, here's a good direction to go.

I just don't see that selling, and I don't see them saving that much money by doing it either, unless they can pull the parts from the European models.

Most people (me included) don't want a stripped down BMW. This is my daily driver, not a track car. If I wanted a track car, there are MUCH better choices for $50k than a 1 Series.

I want a nice, comfortable, well optioned car that's also fast.

The E30 M3 wasn't exactly stripped down. It was pretty well appointed for its time. Times have changed and BMW, as a premium brand, has to keep up with them.

E30:

vinny84 · 03-12-2010, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

I just don't see that selling, and I don't see them saving that much money by doing it either, unless they can pull the parts from the European models.

Most people (me included) don't want a stripped down BMW. This is my daily driver, not a track car. If I wanted a track car, there are MUCH better choices for $50k than a 1 Series.

I want a nice, comfortable, well optioned car that's also fast.

The E30 M3 wasn't exactly stripped down. It was pretty well appointed for its time. Times have changed and BMW, as a premium brand, has to keep up with them.

I agree with this 100% I would not buy a stripped down BMW, what's the point? Will it be faster? Ok, maybe a little, but that's not BMW's style, especially in an ///M model.

xbook · 03-12-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

Threadjack:

Man I just love how the old E30s had that dashboard that was so highly angled towards the driver. If I recall correctly, 5 series and 6 series from the time had a similar angle on the dash. Good pic dude!

To me the 1er is the 1st BMW to get back to this angled dash. Not as pronounced as the older BMWs, but still better than a 3 series. I would like to have the window controls there in the center though.

bdardashti · 03-12-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

I just don't see that selling, and I don't see them saving that much money by doing it either, unless they can pull the parts from the European models.

Most people (me included) don't want a stripped down BMW. This is my daily driver, not a track car. If I wanted a track car, there are MUCH better choices for $50k than a 1 Series.

I want a nice, comfortable, well optioned car that's also fast.

The E30 M3 wasn't exactly stripped down. It was pretty well appointed for its time. Times have changed and BMW, as a premium brand, has to keep up with them.

Amen. And I loved your E30 picture.

jeremyc74 · 03-12-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bdardashti

Amen. And I loved your E30 picture.

Thanks. I wish that actually WAS my E30!

RäDIOCLäSH · 03-12-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by trahsub

I hear you, but at 50 grand does it shift the buying base that much? It's probably no achievable, but if BMW could price this thing in the 40s then it really would shift the base to a younger demographic.

Now how can they make money with the performance we demand? Bares bones interior - no nav, basic stereo with CD/aux jack, no electronic this or that, non power seats, etc . . . If they want this to be the spiritual sucessor to the E30M3, here's a good direction to go.

Yes!BMW needs to be realistic about price point and potential new ,young buyers,who enjoy driving.

As for stripped interiors and their function:this makes up half of the quotient for a high performance car....weight loss.(I think the new M3 GTS shows the beauty of minimalism).The other half being power.Thats what I want in an M car!

HondaGoneRogue · 03-12-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RäDIOCLäSH

As for stripped interiors and their function:this makes up half of the quotient for a high performance car....weight loss.(I think the new M3 GTS shows the beauty of minimalism).The other half being power.Thats what I want in an M car!

jeremyc74 · 03-12-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RäDIOCLäSH

Yes!BMW needs to be realistic about price point and potential new ,young buyers,who enjoy driving.

As for stripped interiors and their function:this makes up half of the quotient for a high performance car....weight loss.(I think the new M3 GTS shows the beauty of minimalism).The other half being power.Thats what I want in an M car!

You're not going to loose a significant amount of weight stripping the electronics out of the car. The entire stereo system will only weigh about 25lbs, and you're not going to get rid of it completely.

You're also not going to get it without power windows, because the door cards and crank assemblies don't exist, and they're not going to design and produce them for a few thousand units.

The bottom line is, unless you REALLY start gutting the car, and I mean things like carpet and sound deadening, you're not going to save enough weight to make a difference, and at that point you've narrowed the audience so much that you're not going to be able to sell enough of them to hold the price down.

This is a BMW, not a Lotus. There's a damn good reason we're not all driving Exiges right now.

Mark M · 03-12-2010, 10:32 AM

Hey....that's my car!!!! Yes....There is certainly an amazing feeling when strapped in the cockpit of the e30 M3! Not nearly the fastest car by today's standards...but that feel just can't be duplicated. There is something magical about '80s BMWs and Porsches. That teutonic feel!! One with the road!

Another couple weeks and I'll pull mine out of hibernation. She's been in storage for ~2 years now.

E30:

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Oulixes Lieutenant Colonel 22 Rep 1,938 Posts Drives: 330xi, 335i Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Terra Borealis iTrader: (0)	Thanks, Scott26.
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antzcrashing Brigadier General 1909 Rep 3,216 Posts Drives: 2018 BMW 440i GC Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Eastern MA iTrader: (1) Garage List 2018 BMW 440i GC xD ... [9.75]	please stop the pricing drama! It is just speculation. Thanks for the answers scott.
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trahsub Private First Class 23 Rep 125 Posts Drives: 95' ///M3 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Long Island iTrader: (0)	Sounds good about the car, but let's be realistic here about attracting a younger generation. Sounds like this car is going to hover around the 50 thousand dollar mark, and short of young adults that are subsidized by their wealthy parents, they are not going to be luring kids away from their STIs, EVOs, even 370Zs and Mustangs. $50,000 and 'affordable' should not be used in the same sentence.
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03-11-2010, 07:29 PM	#115
AlBel1214 Major 52 Rep 1,118 Posts Drives: past 135i, now c6, future M3?? Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Philly iTrader: (0)	^^^ +1000... Christ even a 40K 135i is pushing it for being affordable for a young 20 something year old... __________________ -----LS3 C6----- *z51 suspension,* *NPP dual mode exhaust(wild2mild),20% tint,* zr1 replica wheels, gloss black fender stripes** R.I.P SGM 135i w/ some mods
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Norsk Major 42 Rep 1,096 Posts Drives: F10 535i Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	The 1M looks like a very promising little weekend racer.
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ARES45 Major 34 Rep 1,002 Posts Drives: Join Date: Oct 2007 iTrader: (0)	I'm in the same boat, mid twenties, dual income, low mortgage, never having kids, i would buy this while deployed if I can get it at the military sales price. Or we might buy a plane and make the 135 into an m1 __________________ "Don't run, you'll only die tired" ~ Gunship Pilot
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Mark M Major 240 Rep 1,288 Posts Drives: E30M3 E83X3 E90335D Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lancaster, PA iTrader: (0)	Hey....that's my car!!!! Yes....There is certainly an amazing feeling when strapped in the cockpit of the e30 M3! Not nearly the fastest car by today's standards...but that feel just can't be duplicated. There is something magical about '80s BMWs and Porsches. That teutonic feel!! One with the road! Another couple weeks and I'll pull mine out of hibernation. She's been in storage for ~2 years now. E30: [/quote]
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