Scion FR-S vs. My 128i convertible

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

That may be true - if that was correct. But like most things on the internet...

Straight from the swap. So unless you have a better source, I'm taking it.

[Taskmaster]

Here you go
http://forums.nicoclub.com/240sx-ka2...t-t299879.html

I personally owned 2 KA24DEs, the shipping weight was 295lbs. I know it's crazy, but I know what the hell I'm talking about.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Here you go
http://forums.nicoclub.com/240sx-ka2...t-t299879.html

I personally owned 2 KA24DEs, the shipping weight was 295lbs. I know it's crazy, but I know what the hell I'm talking about.

I'm not talking about a 240sx...

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Stock for stock I doubt it. Modded even less so.

On a tight track, the BRZ/FRS are proving to be as fast as an under-rated 265 HP WRX on equal tires. A 128, stock, it getting handed it.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

On a tight track, the BRZ/FRS are proving to be as fast as an under-rated 265 HP WRX on equal tires. A 128, stock, it getting handed it.

So you are saying if you tailor the track specifically to the BRZ/FRS and swap the stock tires to a grippier tire, it performs well?

That's quite a lot of preconditions...

[Black Prinz]

The BMW 757

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/...ts-not-a-typo/

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

People love to knock on pushrods as being "old tech" compared to overhead cams. History time, they were invented within 4 years of each other.

LS engines historically have had significantly better MPG than their competition(ie 30mpg+ highway for the C6 Vette vs 18mpg for the E9x M3), and are no slouch on emissions. The new LT platform with the active cylinder deactivation takes that MPG to another level.

Whatever people like to invent in their minds about that family of engines, GM is currently on the cutting edge of delivering a proper N/A engined packaged for the current climate of MPG regulation/strangulation, instead of resorting to some miserable turbo 4.

I didn't say it was old technology. I was speaking in terms of refinement. I know they get better gas mileage typically than most v8s. Also have to remember that they dont rev real high like a e9x m3.

Hopefully the new LT's are better than the old LT's.

I have a soft spot for the Ford 4.6 Liter 4V. Terminators are going to bring big money someday.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by PrematureApex

On a tight track, the BRZ/FRS are proving to be as fast as an under-rated 265 HP WRX on equal tires. A 128, stock, it getting handed it.

Sources?

[JimD]

The latest vette motor is also direct injected. The first for a pushrod motor. Pushrods seems out of date but it a big part of why the motor is so compact.

My son's best friend has a Trans Am with a LS motor, turbocharged. It has been dyno'd over 800 hp. I've ridden in it. The whole car seems to twist when he gets on it. I don't need that kind of power but that is what is available in a LS motor. He's broken a couple rear ends and probably needs to overhaul the manual transmission since it shows signs of excessive wear and/or minor breakage. If he really wants to use the power he needs a different rear end and probably transmission too. That's a problem when you start major modifications. Scope keeps creeping up as you find the next limitation. They like wrenching on it but I prefer to drive.

[JimD]

Back to the original topic for a minute. I looked up the Scion FR-S and 128i vert on the zeroto60times.com website. They gather test results from magazines and other published tests. They should a 2008 128i vert as 6.1 seconds 0-60 and 14.7 for the quarter mile.

For the FR-S, they should 6.2 and 14.5 for a manual and 7.9 and 15.9 for an automatic.

So if the FR-S was a manual, it is in the same ballpark as a 128i vert, I presume manual given the time.

[kobeballer96]

I driven a frs. It felt like a honda civic lol. And it's plain and boring inside too.

[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

I'm not talking about a 240sx...

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/06/...o-the-streets/

200lbs.

[MarkkyyMan]

I sat in a Subaru BRZ at the detroit auto show. I'm only 6'1 and it seemed really low and compact.

A lightly modded 128i manual coupe should make quick work of it with driver mod.

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by JimD

The latest vette motor is also direct injected. The first for a pushrod motor. Pushrods seems out of date but it a big part of why the motor is so compact.

My son's best friend has a Trans Am with a LS motor, turbocharged. It has been dyno'd over 800 hp. I've ridden in it. The whole car seems to twist when he gets on it. I don't need that kind of power but that is what is available in a LS motor. He's broken a couple rear ends and probably needs to overhaul the manual transmission since it shows signs of excessive wear and/or minor breakage. If he really wants to use the power he needs a different rear end and probably transmission too. That's a problem when you start major modifications. Scope keeps creeping up as you find the next limitation. They like wrenching on it but I prefer to drive.

Does he have a T56?

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/06/...o-the-streets/

200lbs.

And here it says 80. And I've seen lower.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...s-now-perfect/

[Kgolf31]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

I sat in a Subaru BRZ at the detroit auto show. I'm only 6'1 and it seemed really low and compact.

A lightly modded 128i manual coupe should make quick work of it with driver mod.

We will see, I get to go up against plenty in a couple weeks:

[pj.rodriguez]

LOL ^^ You'll eat em up... Hopefully.

[Blacksport]

My brother bought an FRS about a month after I got the 128...I'll tell you, he gets a lot more compliments than I do...the car is very cool looking...my wife saw it and immediately wanted one, red of course, with an automatic....that flat 4 Subaru engine is so low, the hood's about up to your knees....I don't know, I haven't driven it, it's lighter than the 128, but giving up 30 hp...I bought the BMW for the engine....it's a jewel...I wouldn't trade it for a Subaru boxer 4, but I might swap bodies.....

[MarkkyyMan]

Originally Posted by Kgolf31

We will see, I get to go up against plenty in a couple weeks:

What is your list of mods? Looks like it should be a good race, let us know the results.

[sBox]

Originally Posted by MarkkyyMan

I sat in a Subaru BRZ at the detroit auto show. I'm only 6'1 and it seemed really low and compact.

A lightly modded 128i manual coupe should make quick work of it with driver mod.

I'm 6'2" 200 and fit in one fine. It's a great track car but it has no class. I drove a prepped one at HMS and it was wonderful, but I don't want it over my 128i as a DD. It shouldn't be compared to it as track/performance only. You pay 25k you can get the performance but not the comfort or class.

Do whatchawant but I'm damn happy when I pick up the lady and so is she.

[pj.rodriguez]

Originally Posted by sBox

I'm 6'2" 200 and fit in one fine. It's a great track car but it has no class. I drove a prepped one at HMS and it was wonderful, but I don't want it over my 128i as a DD. It shouldn't be compared to it as track/performance only. You pay 25k you can get the performance but not the comfort or class.

Do whatchawant but I'm damn happy when I pick up the lady and so is she.

agreed. People say oooh bimmer.... not ooooh scion.

[edisapimp]

Originally Posted by Kgolf31

We will see, I get to go up against plenty in a couple weeks:

Lance Keeley sounds tough!! Watch out for him!