02-10-2011, 02:41 PM | #89 | |
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Well... in Germany they don't go by model year specs. When shopping for a car they go off of the exact build date(Bau Jahr; Bj). The Germans would say for example, that this car is Bj: 03.2011 and not a 2012 model. Dackel |
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02-10-2011, 02:49 PM | #90 |
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Sure, makes sense. USA has model year designations for CAFE. Do you have emissions/fuel economy standards that change on Jan 1, 2012 in Germany?
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The best post here was the very first ^. I liked the "double speak" comment as well. As much as I adore M cars BMW marketing folks really piss me off a lot and it is things like this that contribute to this. Heck I'm not even considering the car and it still pisses me off.
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Doesn't take away from the car if it doesn't sell well--the M coupe is an awesome car that my dad was able to get roughly $13K off sticker...I have also seen quite a few E9X M3s sitting on lots, and those are obviously in the awesome category too...it will be interesting to see how BMW goes about it, since no one is really sure if the economy is truly recovering or not...
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02-11-2011, 08:27 AM | #95 |
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I find it very unlikely you will ever see a 1M sitting on a dealer lot. Maybe one in a showroom, at a very high volume dealer, but even that seems iffy.
BMW has done a ton of marketing for this car. Once the major US mags (Road & Track, Car/Driver, Motortrend) do a full color spread on this $50K rocket, you can expect interest to pick up even more. ~600 cars for the US only goes so far. |
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02-11-2011, 08:34 AM | #96 | |
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Besides I know these things will be hitting the used market before they are even done delivering the last of the new ones. I don't mind one that's got a few thousand on it. Saves me the stress of breaking in a car that I want to flog the moment I get it. |
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02-11-2011, 08:50 AM | #98 | |
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You really enjoy trolling me don't you? Oops my mistake, it wasn't you that was previously trolling. Really what does it matter, I changed my mind and decided to wait. If you were joking, then sorry that I missed the humor. I just don't get why people seem to get so butt hurt over what people post on these forums. If for whatever reason you don't like someone or don't agree, just skip their posts.
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02-11-2011, 09:41 AM | #99 | |
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What you say might be true but there is a flip side to this coin. BMW did create this little rocket ship and is doing a ton of marketing on this car to excite new buyers. But, the thing you also have to consider is that this car comes with no sunroof (which is a bummer for most people), only comes in a six speed (which i heard the average BMW customer prefers automatic), only comes in 3 colors (one of which (VO) -you either love it or hate it), is a performance version of the 1 series (which most might consider a mid sized sedan before they would consider this - dare i say a Mercedes?), only comes with one interior color and is $50k (which some potential buyers would consider something more feasible for that kind of coin)... There are a lot of variables here so, anything is possible if you look at it from both perspectives. Even 1M's sitting on the lots 6 months down the road or pre-owned (a year from now?) for $5-8K off sticker?? They say, "patience is a virtue..." We'll see if that holds true |
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02-11-2011, 09:46 AM | #100 |
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this all seems to b a marketing scheme. first they said it will be limited now its unlimited but hard to get? BMW executives will make sure to keep up with the demand, i ll tell you that much. Doesnt take a genius to realize that
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02-11-2011, 10:01 AM | #101 | |
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There is ONLY one way to guarantee you get one and thats to order one now. BESIDES the deposit is fully refundable and you walk away if you change your mind later. |
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02-11-2011, 10:10 AM | #102 | |
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You have to look at similar "limited" models of other cars to gauge demand. For example, limited edition performance versions of Vipers, Corvettes, Cobras, etc. Those always sell quickly and hold value. History has been a reference point on this, not trying to determine how the options on this car dissuade the interest from potential 135i or 335i buyers. |
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02-11-2011, 10:27 AM | #103 | |
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I can pick up a pre-owned '05 Viper for around $50k or a nice Vette... I think all sides should be considered here. Meaning, for those who put their deposits already on the 1M might be the rare lucky few that get one. And a loss for those who didnt. Or, it could play the other way.... It can easily be argued both ways, yes? I personally am not going to buy into all the hype and in the end, it might be my loss? or it might be my gain? |
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02-11-2011, 10:40 AM | #104 |
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You might be misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that buyers of the 1M are cross-shopping pre-owned Vipers, etc. I mean that you can use the history of what has happened with limited edition Vettes, Vipers, etc., to determine that limited run cars are rarely flops, and often command premiums.
Just watch the Barrett-Jackson auctions. They love to showcase performance cars that were available in limited numbers. In that respect, I don't think it can be "argued both ways". You'd have a tough time finding examples of limited-run performance cars that didn't hold demand and value extremely well. |
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According to a recent Bimmerfile podcast a similar thing happened with the Mini Cooper S JCW GP limited edition run out stripped down model.
Apparently some examples were commanding original MSRP a couple of years after launch. One can hope. |
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When I say argued both ways, i believe it can. You are comparing vette's and vipers to a BMW. Completely different animals there. Also, i happen to have first hand experience\knowledge that a limited edition Copperhead Viper (limited to only 300 pieces - each one numbered) doesnt command msrp these days. Not even over msrp... Fact is, you could pick one up for probably $15k less.... How do I know this? Because i used to own #180/300... Since then, i have seen the market slope down regardless of its Limited edition plaque on the console... Not all limited run cars will run across Barrett Jackson either. So, to define limited edition cars historical value based off of Barrett Jackson doesnt hold much foundation if you ask me... Thats just my .02 though. |
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02-11-2011, 11:33 AM | #107 | |
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Plus I start clinicals end of this year and I'm not trying to make car payments at the same time. That's really my primary reason and why I had been so on the fence about it from the get go. When the car was announced I had no intention of buying it, but as the hype grew so did my interest in the car. I finally took a step back and realized what I was doing. Oh and I'm still taking my vacation, just won't be driving my 1m around Europe. Bummer I know, but it was a little intimating taking my first European vacation and first European Delivery all in one go. From what I've heard about drivers in the EU, I'd be clinching my cheeks every time I passed through a city or on some of the narrow roads. |
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How does the 60 cars per month fit into the "unlimited but hard to get?" Multiple people, including me, have been told by their SA's that there will be a max of about 60 cars per month for the US. Is it that BMW is not intentionally imposing that limit but capacity prevents them from manufacturing more? Or is the figure of 60 cars per month incorrect or did it change? Thanks! |
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