BMW 135i coupe --FIRST OFFICIAL PRESS PHOTOS and North American Press Release! AdvEvo

kindtree · 06-30-2007, 02:06 AM

They should bring Byzanz back.

xl5 · 06-30-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kartricer

Am I the only one who thinks it's really ugly? It looks more like a new Hyundai Accent than a new BMW.

No, but it increasingly appears you are in the minority. To each their own.

I want my 135i in Alpine White.

GreenMonster · 06-30-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUltimateDriver

BMW is moving to RFTs on all it's models except the M Cars.

So I guess that BMW agrees with me, RFTs have no place on a performance vehicle :smile:

It's seems like RFTs are like FWD was back in the 80's... The car companies will try to sell the public on the safety of 'em, but it's really about packaging and cutting costs

Devon K · 07-01-2007, 02:16 AM

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Am I the only one who thinks it's really ugly? It looks more like a new Hyundai Accent than a new BMW.

Not sure I would go that far, but I do see where you are coming from - some aspects of the coupe just detract too much from the refined-but-powerful impression that the design language deployed in most other Bimmers generates in the viewer. Consider the goofy too-big headlights, the ruler-straight side crease, the tacky and cheap-looking trunk lip spoiler addon that should have been integrated into the lid (and which BMW does its best to disguise in its PR photos)...

Granted most folks here love it, but the perspectives to be found in other more neutral forums have been far more mixed.

kindtree · 07-01-2007, 05:37 AM

It's a BMW with 300 HP for $35k.... So there are a couple qualms you have with the styling.... I look right past them.

SCA · 07-01-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenMonster

It's seems like RFTs are like FWD was back in the 80's... The car companies will try to sell the public on the safety of 'em, but it's really about packaging and cutting costs

They are pretty expensive to replace and per BMW Centers they are not repairable. It's a sham...The Tire Manufactures make more revenue off auto manufactures that use them and it also generates more money for BMW Center Service Departments.

dmboone25 · 07-01-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kindtree

It's a BMW with 300 HP for $35k.... So there are a couple qualms you have with the styling.... I look right past them.

I'm starting to think that the dream of 35K for the 135 is going to be just that...a dream. I'm guessing it will get to 40K rather easily....

The Stig · 07-01-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dmboone25

I'm starting to think that the dream of 35K for the 135 is going to be just that...a dream. I'm guessing it will get to 40K rather easily....

NO WAY.

Think about what you are saying.

A 135i that costs as much as a 335i...doesnt make sense.

Why do you think this, just curious.

335i=:) · 07-01-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenMonster

I didn't catch the runflat tire detail in the annoucement... Are we sure that the 1-series is coming with runflats ?? Or just assuming since some other BMW's have 'em ??

There's a chrome looking bit in the trunk, that might be for a cargo tie down, but could also be a handle to access the spare tire (notice the center portion is separate from the sides) :iono:

<--- doesn't like runflats and knows how to change a tire... but runflats probably won't stop me from considering the 1-series as my next car.

Looking at this picture reminds me that I read somewhere that the 60/40 split was standard on the one series. This kinda bums me out because on the 3er it's an option you get witht he cold weather package I think.

At some point on the e90 post forums, someone posted a sort of torsional rigidity on the 3er with 60/40 and withou it. The difference was huge, I can't remember
how they were measured but the car without the 60/40 was 17000 (whatever unit of measurement) and the car with 60/40 was 13000 (wum).

I was planning on skipping the cold weather package on the 1er for this reason, does anybody believe it will still be an option?

Devon K · 07-01-2007, 12:35 PM

Could be that with the smaller size or more mature engineering in the newer 1 coupe, that differential has been resolved to the point where there's no need to compromise the convenience of the passthrough for added regidity.

BMW M · 07-01-2007, 12:51 PM

Prices (German market - incl 19% VAT):
120d: 28.750 € ....... (eg. 120d 3dr: €26,800; 320d coupe: €35,600; 320d sedan: €32,000)
123d: 32.500 € ........ (eg. 325d coupe (197PS): €38,100; 325d sedan (197PS): €35,250)
135i : 38.950 € ........ (eg. 130i 3dr: €35,300 - incl M-package; 335i coupe: €44,650; 335i sedan: €40,800)

So in US prices will probably be something like this:
120d: 30.500 $
123d: 34.500 $
135i: 41.500 $

LonghornTX · 07-01-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW M

Prices (German market - incl 19% VAT):
120d: 28.750 € ....... (eg. 120d 3dr: €26,800; 320d coupe: €35,600; 320d sedan: €32,000)
123d: 32.500 € ........ (eg. 325d coupe (197PS): €38,100; 325d sedan (197PS): €35,250)
135i : 38.950 € ........ (eg. 130i 3dr: €35,300 - incl M-package; 335i coupe: €44,650; 335i sedan: €40,800)

So in US prices will probably be something like this:
120d: 30.500 $
123d: 34.500 $
135i: 41.500 $

I think you are a bit high there. I do not see the 135i starting above the 335i.

larry lawless · 07-01-2007, 01:30 PM

Yeah I totally agree its definitely going to start under the 335i

dmboone25 · 07-01-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HH007

NO WAY.

Think about what you are saying.

A 135i that costs as much as a 335i...doesnt make sense.

Why do you think this, just curious.

I'm just thinking that the N54 is going to command that kind of money--and by making the 135i a high ticket item, people will not be tempted to get a 1 instead of a 3, which is BMW's best seller. Does that make sense? How many less 335's would BMW sell if you can get the 135 for say, 34-35k? A lot, probably....By making the price in the 40K range, you eliminate that possibility.

And it is very difficult get a 335 for 40K--your average 335 runs in the mid 40's....

kindtree · 07-01-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW M

Prices (German market - incl 19% VAT):
120d: 28.750 € ....... (eg. 120d 3dr: €26,800; 320d coupe: €35,600; 320d sedan: €32,000)
123d: 32.500 € ........ (eg. 325d coupe (197PS): €38,100; 325d sedan (197PS): €35,250)
135i : 38.950 € ........ (eg. 130i 3dr: €35,300 - incl M-package; 335i coupe: €44,650; 335i sedan: €40,800)

So in US prices will probably be something like this:
120d: 30.500 $
123d: 34.500 $
135i: 41.500 $

I think those are pretty inflated. By your calculations, a 128i would start around a 328i. No way they'd sell enough of those like that. I'm sure the 135i will start at around $35k.... And I'm sure you could easily reach $40k+ with options.

BMW M · 07-01-2007, 03:06 PM

Prices for Germany are correct, but I made a mistake with calculations from € to $. And 135i will definitely have lower price than 335i.

Sorry for wrong numbers.

alpini · 07-01-2007, 04:34 PM

a few more photos of the OFFICIAL unveiling - down at the bottom of this linked page:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsGa...L=-1&IM=127346

larry lawless · 07-01-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dmboone25

I'm just thinking that the N54 is going to command that kind of money--and by making the 135i a high ticket item, people will not be tempted to get a 1 instead of a 3, which is BMW's best seller. Does that make sense? How many less 335's would BMW sell if you can get the 135 for say, 34-35k? A lot, probably....By making the price in the 40K range, you eliminate that possibility.

And it is very difficult get a 335 for 40K--your average 335 runs in the mid 40's....

I think they would still sell a lot of 335i because the 135i is going to appeal to a different selection of people than 335i. I mean most of us on this site look at the 135i as great bimmer thats going to be awesome, but most people (the ones who have no idea this site exists) will look at the 1er and just think its a baby bimmer. They will still go off and buy a 335i for many different reasons. Just like the people who go and buy a 535i over the cheaper and smaller 335i, even though they have the same engine too. And they don't take away from each others sales.

BMW M · 07-01-2007, 04:52 PM

In Germany 335i cost 43.200 €, 135i will cost 38.950 €.
In USA 335i cost 40.800 $, so 135i will probably cost around 35.000 $.

WolfsburgerMitFries · 07-01-2007, 07:16 PM

I think a key issue is going to be how the options are grouped. For example, so many things are a-la carte on the 328i like power seats, premium sound, and xenon headlights, that when I build a 328i and 335i on the website, they end up only around $3000 apart from each other. I think that's a bit of a problem coming so close to each other, because it ends up being a poor choice to not spend the extra $3000 and go with the 335i. The other packaging problem is the M-sport option group availability. No M-sport suspension with 6 piston brakes for the 128i is gonna be a deal breaker for me.

I forsee the same close-in-price problem in the 1 series caused by too many standard things on the 135i being optional, and overpriced as options on the 128i. There's many people in here that will be quite happy with the 128i and want to stick with the traditional non-turbo I6, and don't want to risk the classic N54 problems like fuel pump failure and overheating (especially in a smaller and tighter package). But if it turns out that you build both a 128i and 135i and they are within $2500 of each other its going to be a tough choice to buy a 128i.

Big Red One · 07-01-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by theONE

a few more photos of the OFFICIAL unveiling - down at the bottom of this linked page:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsGa...L=-1&IM=127346

Those are GREAT. With people standing next to the car, you can finally get a good sense of scale. And I LIKE what I see! Just what I was looking for.

Genericuser1 · 07-02-2007, 03:13 PM

The benefit is if you want a small RWD coupe and don't mind just an option or two you will most likely have a 128i for a very reasonable price.

There just isn't any competition for small RWD cars in the US. Honestly if the Mazda 3 sedan was RWD or AWD with the 2.3l Turbo I’d probably just go for that since it would be so much cheaper but still very fun. The best that is out there now is the Mustang GT and Mazda RX8 and they are not small cars and only the Mazda is reasonably light at 3,000 or so pounds. It also doesn’t come close to the power of a 335 or 135.

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BMW M Registered 0 Rep 3 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jul 2007 iTrader: (0)	Prices (German market - incl 19% VAT): 120d: 28.750 € ....... (eg. 120d 3dr: €26,800; 320d coupe: €35,600; 320d sedan: €32,000) 123d: 32.500 € ........ (eg. 325d coupe (197PS): €38,100; 325d sedan (197PS): €35,250) 135i : 38.950 € ........ (eg. 130i 3dr: €35,300 - incl M-package; 335i coupe: €44,650; 335i sedan: €40,800) So in US prices will probably be something like this: 120d: 30.500 $ 123d: 34.500 $ 135i: 41.500 $
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WolfsburgerMitFries Lieutenant 12 Rep 445 Posts Drives: BMW 3er Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lexington, KY iTrader: (0)	I think a key issue is going to be how the options are grouped. For example, so many things are a-la carte on the 328i like power seats, premium sound, and xenon headlights, that when I build a 328i and 335i on the website, they end up only around $3000 apart from each other. I think that's a bit of a problem coming so close to each other, because it ends up being a poor choice to not spend the extra $3000 and go with the 335i. The other packaging problem is the M-sport option group availability. No M-sport suspension with 6 piston brakes for the 128i is gonna be a deal breaker for me. I forsee the same close-in-price problem in the 1 series caused by too many standard things on the 135i being optional, and overpriced as options on the 128i. There's many people in here that will be quite happy with the 128i and want to stick with the traditional non-turbo I6, and don't want to risk the classic N54 problems like fuel pump failure and overheating (especially in a smaller and tighter package). But if it turns out that you build both a 128i and 135i and they are within $2500 of each other its going to be a tough choice to buy a 128i.
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Genericuser1 Captain 22 Rep 661 Posts Drives: M3 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: usa iTrader: (0)	The benefit is if you want a small RWD coupe and don't mind just an option or two you will most likely have a 128i for a very reasonable price. There just isn't any competition for small RWD cars in the US. Honestly if the Mazda 3 sedan was RWD or AWD with the 2.3l Turbo I’d probably just go for that since it would be so much cheaper but still very fun. The best that is out there now is the Mustang GT and Mazda RX8 and they are not small cars and only the Mazda is reasonably light at 3,000 or so pounds. It also doesn’t come close to the power of a 335 or 135.
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