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02-15-2012, 12:22 AM | #1 |
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Which camber plates?
Have a stock 128i 6mt sport pkg. stock wheels and rflts. Have done 2des and really got lots of outer edge wear on the fronts. Backs look ok.
Our track is really fast with several high speed sweepers. I dont plan to autox. Im Driving the car pretty hard and having fun with ok lap times so I'm ok with performance as is, but I'm killing the fronts. Heard pulling the pins only gives .5 neg, so I'm thinking about plates. Car still in warrantee, so I was thinking about dinan even though it only adds .7 deg fixed? Is this enough with pulling pins? Is there a warrantee issue if you install for Vorshlag or ground control? Which is better between ground control and Vorshlag? This is my daily driver, so I don't want noise issues.. I like the car on the street juste the way it is, just looking to save some rubber for 8 to12 de 's I will do. |
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I have the Dinan plates (installation requires removal of the camber pins, btw) and am running about -1.5° at each wheel after a dealer alignment. Previously I was at -1.16° and -2.16°, so I know I could be running more aggressively if I wanted to, but for the time being I'm just glad to have them more closely matched.
I don't have M3 control arms in front, which would add even more negative camber, but I am lowered at least an inch. I'm not sure you could duplicate these numbers at stock ride height.
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There is no warranty issue if you install GC or vorshlag plates. A law/bill was passed last year that prevents dealers for denying warranty claims because of aftermarket parts. The only thing they don't have to warranty is the upper mount that is replaced by the Camber plate.
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02-15-2012, 08:38 PM | #4 |
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Your first step should probably be M3 Control Arms. You get the camber of Dinan camber plates, but You also get the stiffer bushings. Next I would add the Dinan camber plates since there's no risk of noise there either.
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02-15-2012, 08:46 PM | #5 |
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I currently run BMW PS and M3 Arms and my wear is pretty even with 13k miles a year mostly highway and one DE event. I am adding the Dinan plates soon and an hoping to have good wear with 2 events per year.
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02-26-2012, 12:06 PM | #6 |
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Camber plates transfer so much noise into the cabin. Hitting a pot hole feels like it's going to tear the front of the car off.
That said, having a good shop align your car (with plates) transforms the car. I was amazed at how much the handling improved. |
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02-26-2012, 02:21 PM | #8 |
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I like to know which brand doesn't make any noise? I need one. tired of my noisy plates
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02-26-2012, 02:29 PM | #9 |
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kori you may want to check into the ground control hybrid camber plates.
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02-26-2012, 03:10 PM | #12 |
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dinan's plate give you very limited camber. if someone could make a fixed plate that offers max camber or to some varying degree I would buy.
Chris - isn't GC plates the same design as vorshlags ot tck's? spherical ball joints?
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02-26-2012, 03:28 PM | #13 |
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I don't know dude; my Vorshlags make no noise, on the street or on the track. Maybe I haven't noticed, but was one of the first things I tried to look for. Is it an install issue? Or maybe I'm just lucky I guess, I did install them myself just in case.
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02-26-2012, 09:05 PM | #15 |
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Ground control makes street, hybrid and race camber plates for our cars. People who have them say the street plates make some noise, but a lot less than the race plates. Here's a thread. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=514467
Dinan plates + M3 wishbones is a good compromise for doing street/track on street tires. It's not enough to get full potential from sick track tires like Pixelblue runs. Besides not enough camber, it's also not firm enough. |
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We will be installing a set of the Ground Control street plates within the next month or so for my 08 135i and I will make sure to do a nice write up for everyone to see.
Personally, they seem to be the best compromise between a full race plate like Vorshlag and a fixed plate like Dinan. They have axial load bearings that will need to be replaced after time like any other camber plate, but they also feature urethane bushings for long life and a smoother ride. You can also order them so that they are compatible with the factory springs or 2.5" race springs. Just my $.02. -Josh |
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02-28-2012, 05:55 AM | #17 |
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Thanks Josh - very interested in the outcome.
Why have you decided to go for the street plates over the hybrid ones?
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02-28-2012, 08:15 PM | #19 |
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I had a set of Dinan plates, and they don't make any more noise that stock since they bushings and bearings are all stock. Dinan just adds an offset plate. I switched to the ground control street plates last weekend so I can get more camber. So far, they have been totally quiet. They don't use a solid metal bearing like Vorshlag. It is some type of poly bushing, so there is some flexibility, but it's much stiffer than the stock rubber.
The only problem I had is when I first got then, they came with spring hats that were 1/4" too wide, so they rubbed the body. I had to switch them with my stock hats, and now it's been working fine.
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02-29-2012, 02:23 AM | #20 |
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For my 135i,
I got GC Street Camber plates on my stock suspension. So far I don't really hear any noise from the plate. And with stock height maxing out the plate will only give me -1.9 degree. |
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02-29-2012, 03:01 AM | #21 |
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I've used the Dinan Plates, Vorschlag plates, and M3 control arms in different stages of my build.
If you want solid, go with Dinan Plates. You get -1.5 camber off of them and it's really just a metal plate to move the mounting points. If you are still wearing down the outer edges, get M3 control arms as well which give you better steering feel as an additional benefit. This will get you around -2.3 deg, which is pretty ample for track. I did go more extreme though with Vorshlag's and M3 arms, which give -3.7 deg camber, which I've found fantastic for track. There was a little squeaking the first 500 miles with the Vorshlag's in my case. Now there is zero noise and I don't notice any extra sound after 10 month, 7 autox's, and 3 track days. |
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