B&M or Rogue?

HRC · 11-18-2005, 11:01 AM

I'm trying to decide between the two. The B&M is out now, but I hear it's a bit notchy and more difficult to shift than stock(not difficult), compared to the Rogue which is supposed to be as smooth or better than stock. It cost more(no problem) but it's not out yet. JamesC from Bimmerworld has the B&M on the project car, but they say if I want a better product, wait for the Rogue Octane. No ETA on the Rogue was givin, maybe before the holidays. What would you guys do?

TIA,
Danny

Jason · 11-18-2005, 11:05 AM

Danny, I say wait for the more ideal one then. It probably won't be long until the Rogue ssk comes out. I think RichP may have had a prototype on his car at the first NYC meet and people who tried it had good things to say. I have a B&M ssk on my boxster and it is notchy, not difficult to shift, but the notchiness is definitely there. Good luck.

Cory1000 · 11-18-2005, 11:25 AM

I contacted Rogue after out NJ/NYC meet (was on 8/13/05) and they told me then that it would be out in 2-4 weeks...still not out yet. If you can wait for it then I would say wait. I tested it out that day and it was awsome. Im going to wait..

HRC · 11-18-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jwocky

Danny, I say wait for the more ideal one then. It probably won't be long until the Rogue ssk comes out. I think RichP may have had a prototype on his car at the first NYC meet and people who tried it had good things to say. I have a B&M ssk on my boxster and it is notchy, not difficult to shift, but the notchiness is definitely there. Good luck.

I think your right! I just spoke to Ben and he said they have to do more adjustments, maybe add the WSR and the kit will be done. He said probally early next year. Sigh...

He also mentioned that this will not be a DIY thing because you will have to drop the exhuast, you'll need a lift, etc...bummer!

Danny

Guess · 11-18-2005, 07:03 PM

I have noticed that the b&m and the rogue are quite different, will both require the exhaust to be dropped?

I believe I am gonna get a b&m very shortly. Depending if I can find a canadian distributor that sells them

HRC · 11-18-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Guess

I have noticed that the b&m and the rogue are quite different, will both require the exhaust to be dropped?

I believe I am gonna get a b&m very shortly. Depending if I can find a canadian distributor that sells them

It doesn't sound like the B&M will require a lift to remove the exhaust like the Rogue. I was told I could install the B&M myself.

Danny

Guess · 11-18-2005, 07:24 PM

Well, I guess I am gonna go ahead and order the b&m

Guess · 11-18-2005, 07:58 PM

God damn impulse buys, I just purchased the b&m from bimmeworld.com

RichP · 11-18-2005, 10:57 PM

Oh man! I have the Rogue (a prototype) and it is VERY nice, short and VERY smooth; the best SSK I have felt in a BMW (and I dont have a weighted selector rod, not sure if the kit will include one; I have had such brands as RE, UUC, and autosolutions in past BMWs)

Not sure about the B&M, but the RE install is like SSKs on the E46 and such, just get under the car and reach up.

Subw00er · 12-02-2005, 08:38 AM

Do all of the shifters require dropping the exhaust?

HRC · 12-02-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Subw00er

Do all of the shifters require dropping the exhaust?

No, the B&M doesn't require access from underneath the car.

Danny

Sho · 12-02-2005, 01:35 PM

Isn't E90's shifter short enough?

HRC · 12-02-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sho

Isn't E90's shifter short enough?

I think stock is fine, but I really thought it would be shorter, so I'm going for it. Another reason I want to change is doing so will eliminate the minor slop associated with factory pivot assembly.

Danny

Sho · 12-02-2005, 04:28 PM

I had short through on my GTI VR6, and end up to broke the clucth release mechanism.

I like th E90 stock one feels, better than other BMWs. With a shorter knob, I think the through is acceptable.

tiga901 · 12-11-2005, 06:08 PM

Bought an e46 m3 knob...way shorter than stock, put in a modifed CDV and now my shift are swift and smooth.

kekoa · 01-06-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sho

Isn't E90's shifter short enough?

hell no. especially after coming from an s2k

Jason · 01-06-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kekoa

hell no. especially after coming from an s2k

Agreed.. slickest (and shortest) shifting factory transmission available.

HRC · 01-06-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Agreed.. slickest (and shortest) shifting factory transmission available.

Yea, even my '99 prelude had a shorter and more accurate shift than the e90.

I recently swapped out the factory knob with the m-sport one and I must say, I made quite a difference! The extra few ounces make the shifts fell alot more solid than before. I may end up just leaving the stock shifter in now...

Danny

III II V i · 01-31-2006, 04:13 PM

does the e90 come with syntethic tranny fluid ? If not will Redline tranny oil make a diffrence like it does on other cars ?

FlyingFinn · 02-08-2006, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Guess

God damn impulse buys, I just purchased the b&m from bimmeworld.com

Comments, pictures, DIY, etc. pleasepleaseplease.

HRC · 02-08-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingFinn

Comments, pictures, DIY, etc. pleasepleaseplease.

I second that!! It's been a while since Guess ordered the B&M from Bimmerworld!! How do you like it??

Danny

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Jason Administrator 40712 Rep 21,238 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Danny, I say wait for the more ideal one then. It probably won't be long until the Rogue ssk comes out. I think RichP may have had a prototype on his car at the first NYC meet and people who tried it had good things to say. I have a B&M ssk on my boxster and it is notchy, not difficult to shift, but the notchiness is definitely there. Good luck.
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RichP Major 144 Rep 1,184 Posts Drives: F80 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CT iTrader: (4)	Oh man! I have the Rogue (a prototype) and it is VERY nice, short and VERY smooth; the best SSK I have felt in a BMW (and I dont have a weighted selector rod, not sure if the kit will include one; I have had such brands as RE, UUC, and autosolutions in past BMWs) Not sure about the B&M, but the RE install is like SSKs on the E46 and such, just get under the car and reach up.
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Sho Lieutenant 35 Rep 574 Posts Drives: E90 325i 6-speed Join Date: May 2005 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	I had short through on my GTI VR6, and end up to broke the clucth release mechanism. I like th E90 stock one feels, better than other BMWs. With a shorter knob, I think the through is acceptable.
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