FMIC or METH kit?

Perostahov · 03-20-2011, 12:42 PM

Thanks for all your help guys, I appreciate it. Now heres the thing where I live it only gets up to 20-25*C (68-77*F) in the summer time and we rarely see 30*C (86*F) maybe 3-4 times the whole summer, so heat here isnt the problem. So with that being said should I still go for the intercooler first or Meth?

burger16b · 03-20-2011, 04:45 PM

im gonna do both but intercooler first!

HPFREAK · 03-21-2011, 11:02 AM

Honestly if making the most power you can without N20 then meth is where you should put the money. The octane boost you get will allow you to run the boost you need to make the car really make power. FMIC's are great but they will not give you the power increase I think you are looking for. MEth is more fiddly though. If you dont have a heavy foot the gallon tank should last you around 2 weeks. Mine lasted me that long in my last car which ran a bigger nozzle than you would run on these cars. Mine had to flow enough to support over 600rwhp.

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Originally Posted by Perostahov

Thanks for all your help guys, I appreciate it. Now heres the thing where I live it only gets up to 20-25*C (68-77*F) in the summer time and we rarely see 30*C (86*F) maybe 3-4 times the whole summer, so heat here isnt the problem. So with that being said should I still go for the intercooler first or Meth?

red_stapler · 03-22-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by maxnix

FMIC is passive and fail proof. Meth is only required if the engine is over tuned. Think about why no OEM installs one.

what he said. Meth isnt required, but it will booooost power when on meth. no need to run meth unless you already have chip, DPs, intake, exhaust, etc.

MrBlonde · 03-22-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by red_stapler

what he said. Meth isnt required, but it will booooost power when on meth. no need to run meth unless you already have chip, DPs, intake, exhaust, etc.

I don't agree. Provided you have a tune, then methanol kit is a great addition even without any boltons. Downpipes would certainly help make more power still, but I doubt exhaust or intake makes much difference at all to how much power is made.

benrappaport · 03-26-2011, 05:02 AM

meth

vwrefugee · 03-26-2011, 08:09 AM

There always seems to be a lot of confusion in threads discussing meth vs IC. To make it simple, methanol injection does the work of an intercooler in cooling the intake charge AND it provides a very significant effective octane boost, thereby giving two benefits as opposed to just the one from an IC. So, modded or not, meth will cool your intake charge at least as well as an upgraded FMIC and probably moreso. If you are modded however (especially ecu tune) you'll be able to take advantage of the octane benefits.

Meth injection is certainly more "fiddly" than an IC as a means of cooling IATs, but it is far more efficient/economical than running race fuel 24/7 when it comes to higher octane. And for those worried about the possible negative effects of ethanol in the fuel (ie. possible effect on HPFP, lower mpg etc) meth lets you run Shell V-Power 91 (no ethanol) with an effective octane level of 100+. I'm still trying to decide on the best meth setup for my N55 but I ran meth on my big turboed GTI with only the tiny stock intercooler and there was no perceptible power loss on even the hottest days (usually 30+ C). I was also running my race map as a DD setting. Best supporting mod ever.

VALAS135i · 03-28-2011, 11:59 AM

Many people think meth is an add on like Nitrous. It is not as all. Meth will lower your intake temps significantly, as well as raising the octane. It is a great benifit to these cars performance, but also helps your engine run safer (cooler). If you are running under 15psi a new intercooler is not really necessary. So if you are looking to lower your temps get a FMIC. If your loking to lower your temps raise your octane and get much more power get Meth.

HPFREAK · 03-28-2011, 12:21 PM

Meth hands down.

I wouldnt waste my money on an FMIC that is not needed, but then still need race gas to run a tune that will actually make big power, and go broke in the process buying all that race gas at 10-14 bucks a gallon. Spend 500-600 on a meth kit and be done with it. Meth is cheap to refill and if you can be good about how much you use it, a gallon of meth will last you a lot longer than a full tank of race gas will last you that is for certain.

I would go through a gallon a month in my 03 Cobra. I was not being a knuckle head and florring it at every light and trying to race every Tom, Dick, & Harry on the street with his shitty integra that though he had what it took.

With meth I gained almost 90 rwhp after being tuned to run 4lbs more boost and 4 degrees more timing. It still had the stock Heat exchanger on which was pathetic in its ability to pull heat out of the water. I also did not get the cooling ability from the meth since I could not plumb it after the intercooler since it is mounted under the blower, and I would of needed 4 nozzles and a pro installer to route it there, so I only got the octane benefit from it. So ya meth is way better.

infinitekidM2C · 03-28-2011, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HPFREAK

Meth hands down.

I wouldnt waste my money on an FMIC that is not needed, but then still need race gas to run a tune that will actually make big power, and go broke in the process buying all that race gas at 10-14 bucks a gallon. Spend 500-600 on a meth kit and be done with it. Meth is cheap to refill and if you can be good about how much you use it, a gallon of meth will last you a lot longer than a full tank of race gas will last you that is for certain.

I would go through a gallon a month in my 03 Cobra. I was not being a knuckle head and florring it at every light and trying to race every Tom, Dick, & Harry on the street with his shitty integra that though he had what it took.

With meth I gained almost 90 rwhp after being tuned to run 4lbs more boost and 4 degrees more timing. It still had the stock Heat exchanger on which was pathetic in its ability to pull heat out of the water. I also did not get the cooling ability from the meth since I could not plumb it after the intercooler since it is mounted under the blower, and I would of needed 4 nozzles and a pro installer to route it there, so I only got the octane benefit from it. So ya meth is way better.

Anyone you recommend for meth installs? This is not an area i'm familiar with re install and i'd rather leave it to a pro

VALAS135i · 03-28-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

Anyone you recommend for meth installs? This is not an area i'm familiar with re install and i'd rather leave it to a pro

I would reccommend wait until procedes new meth kit. They havent released any info to the public yet but the install will be a really simple. Not running hoses and wires from the trunk to the engine bay.

philiopf22 · 03-29-2011, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by VALAS135i

Not running hoses and wires from the trunk to the engine bay.

Are you on a NDA? What are they building? must be some in the engine bay type setup like the window washer swap?

TheDeathDealer · 03-30-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by maxnix

FMIC is passive and fail proof. Meth is only required if the engine is over tuned. Think about why no OEM installs one.

Actually from what I understand the Subaru STi and Mitsubishi EVO had meth injection from the factory. It used the windshield washer resivor and once it was empty the car would run a less aggressive tune or something along those lines. But don't hold me to that.

My vote would also be for a better FMIC because it will be there working all the time and you can forget about it where the meth you always need to keep it filled or else you can get detonation if you are running an aggressive enough tune that it NEEDS the meth to run properly.

Some people don't mind this, but I'd rather have the peace of mind that no matter what the car will be running safely.

Hocky · 03-30-2011, 10:15 AM

They had intercooler sprayers, not meth injection.

1SerieStud · 03-30-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hocky

They had intercooler sprayers, not meth injection.

+1 on confirming this! Definitely IC sprayers.

VALAS135i · 03-30-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by philiopf22

Are you on a NDA? What are they building? must be some in the engine bay type setup like the window washer swap?

Can't say too much. But yes your close.

TheDeathDealer · 03-30-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hocky

They had intercooler sprayers, not meth injection.

Thanks for the correction. I knew they did something with their meth though

infinitekidM2C · 03-30-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VALAS135i

I would reccommend wait until procedes new meth kit. They havent released any info to the public yet but the install will be a really simple. Not running hoses and wires from the trunk to the engine bay.

Perfect and exactly what i wanted..thanks

burger16b · 03-31-2011, 09:34 AM

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VALAS135i · 03-31-2011, 10:46 AM

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Perfect and exactly what i wanted..thanks

We shoud betting more information releaced from Shiv in the next few weeks as well as some other goodies.

BMW86 · 03-31-2011, 10:50 AM

The new Vishnu meth setup will be incompatible with the JB4, as it needs a type of output the JB4 does not have.

I have heard Terry has something in the works for the JB guys though.

VALAS135i · 03-31-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BMW86

The new Vishnu meth setup will be incompatible with the JB4, as it needs a type of output the JB4 does not have.

I have heard Terry has something in the works for the JB guys though.

Are you sure it will be designed like that? Im not too fimilar with the JB4 at all so ill take your word for it.

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vwrefugee Private First Class 17 Rep 126 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW 135i 6MT Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	There always seems to be a lot of confusion in threads discussing meth vs IC. To make it simple, methanol injection does the work of an intercooler in cooling the intake charge AND it provides a very significant effective octane boost, thereby giving two benefits as opposed to just the one from an IC. So, modded or not, meth will cool your intake charge at least as well as an upgraded FMIC and probably moreso. If you are modded however (especially ecu tune) you'll be able to take advantage of the octane benefits. Meth injection is certainly more "fiddly" than an IC as a means of cooling IATs, but it is far more efficient/economical than running race fuel 24/7 when it comes to higher octane. And for those worried about the possible negative effects of ethanol in the fuel (ie. possible effect on HPFP, lower mpg etc) meth lets you run Shell V-Power 91 (no ethanol) with an effective octane level of 100+. I'm still trying to decide on the best meth setup for my N55 but I ran meth on my big turboed GTI with only the tiny stock intercooler and there was no perceptible power loss on even the hottest days (usually 30+ C). I was also running my race map as a DD setting. Best supporting mod ever.
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VALAS135i Second Lieutenant 20 Rep 219 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 135i Jet Black Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Southern New Jersey iTrader: (4)	Many people think meth is an add on like Nitrous. It is not as all. Meth will lower your intake temps significantly, as well as raising the octane. It is a great benifit to these cars performance, but also helps your engine run safer (cooler). If you are running under 15psi a new intercooler is not really necessary. So if you are looking to lower your temps get a FMIC. If your loking to lower your temps raise your octane and get much more power get Meth. __________________ CP-E Catless DP's // CP-E Midpipes & Rear Exhaust // BMS DCI // Stett Charge Pipe // TIAL 50mm BOV // Helix FMIC // Stock Tune Soon to Come: Cobb Accessport Stage 2+
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HPFREAK Lieutenant Colonel 63 Rep 1,884 Posts Drives: C6 ZO6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Socal iTrader: (8)	Meth hands down. I wouldnt waste my money on an FMIC that is not needed, but then still need race gas to run a tune that will actually make big power, and go broke in the process buying all that race gas at 10-14 bucks a gallon. Spend 500-600 on a meth kit and be done with it. Meth is cheap to refill and if you can be good about how much you use it, a gallon of meth will last you a lot longer than a full tank of race gas will last you that is for certain. I would go through a gallon a month in my 03 Cobra. I was not being a knuckle head and florring it at every light and trying to race every Tom, Dick, & Harry on the street with his shitty integra that though he had what it took. With meth I gained almost 90 rwhp after being tuned to run 4lbs more boost and 4 degrees more timing. It still had the stock Heat exchanger on which was pathetic in its ability to pull heat out of the water. I also did not get the cooling ability from the meth since I could not plumb it after the intercooler since it is mounted under the blower, and I would of needed 4 nozzles and a pro installer to route it there, so I only got the octane benefit from it. So ya meth is way better. __________________ My Youtube Channel
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