Stock '11 135i DCT against 11' SL63 AMG

[RPM90]

518hp 453lb ft, 4468lbs. with fold-able hardtop. power to weight 8.73
4.4 to 60
12.9 @ 112mph 1/4 mile

It's big, it's heavy, it's loaded.
Still, it ain't slow for such a heavy beast.

Those stats are from C&D's road test of a 2009 SL63 AMG.

Given that test it seems the SL should have easily kept up, and even had a slight edge.
But, overall it's close enough that daily street driving conditions can alter the outcome.
It's possible the SL was in a normal driving trans setting, which would make it slower to react.
He could have had a traction issue on that road too, etc...
Overall a good showing of the 135i N55.

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by scott135i

Sl63 vs stock dct 135i will beat the 135i every time, every gear, every speed. Either he wasn't pushing it, or something is wrong with his car..

It's up to the driver, without any guts, it's just a show car. I shadowed an AMG up to 140. I passed him later so he can read the #s ... 1 3 5.

[NewYearsBoy]

HAHAHA... I love my car and think its amazing.. But when you start telling me you beat out a SL AMG... He was either not pushing the car hard at all or you are on some drugs....

[NewYearsBoy]

WAIT.... I googled the SL and your talking about the NEW NEW SL HAHAHAHHA.... Sorry man in FL especially in Sarasota I have seen and driven some great stuff... But there is no way on Gods green earth you beat out this SL... U get what you pay for... That car competes with the M6... Maybe if u had a JB3 but even with FULL Dinan the 135i is only as fast as a M3 brand new... The first pic is the car u raced right...?? Ya.. The second is one I have seen in action... Our 135i is only a stepping stone to a SUPERCAR like these...

(I know the one I have seen is the Black series but still they are both MONSTERS)

Sorry to sink your boat.. I do love my 135i's Performance

[C-dub]

Originally Posted by Jeef Beef

Our cars don't stand a chance against those AMG monsters.

In a straight line maybe. Hit the first curve and the race is over.

I have some experience behind the wheels of some high powered AMG cars - SL55, E55, E63. Once they get traction they are beasts, but they are severely limited by grip. I would never want the S65 or SL65 especially the black series. From what I've heard, you can either turn off the traction control and waste tires, or keep it on, slam the gas, and feel the computer choke the power down in a feeble attempt to stop the spinning while your competition blows past you.

Nice kill!

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by C-dub

In a straight line maybe. Hit the first curve and the race is over.

If anyone here thinks a stock vs stock race VS an AMG there is no way...

The closest thing to not getting us might be the G wagon.. Hahaha... U just don't understand this kind of power.... It is a totally differnt level...

[Jeef Beef]

Originally Posted by Stoutnj89

If anyone here thinks a stock vs stock race VS an AMG there is no way...

The closest thing to not getting us might be the G wagon.. Hahaha... U just don't understand this kind of power.... It is a totally differnt level...

Like I said, the guy must've been in the wrong gear, or in D and Comfort mode

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by Jeef Beef

Like I said, the guy must've been in the wrong gear, or in D and Comfort mode

I agree...

[jpdb]

from what i have been reading here and in magazines tests, it is completely possible the N55 DCT 135i can keep up and beat a SL63, those magazine test tell the SL goes to 60mph in 4.8 sec, C&D est. the N55 DCT goes to 60mph in 4.6 sec, the same C&D tells the M3 goes to 60 in 4.1 seg, but most magazines have done it 4.4 segs, and from what i said and other users said the 135i N55 DCT can keep up with the M3 till 100mph, we all agree from there there isnt any chance not even with any tune, and from those magazine numbers the M3 is just as fast and even faster than the SL63 AMG, so that makes my story completely reliable, and i repeat for those of you who haven driven an '11 N55 matted with the DCT in Sport mode and with the Break-in period completed you dont know how fast this thing goes, the gearbox is simply amazing

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by jprooney

from what i have been reading here and in magazines tests, it is completely possible the N55 DCT 135i can keep up and beat a SL63, those magazine test tell the SL goes to 60mph in 4.8 sec, C&D est. the N55 DCT goes to 60mph in 4.6 sec, the same C&D tells the M3 goes to 60 in 4.1 seg, but most magazines have done it 4.4 segs, and from what i said and other users said the 135i N55 DCT can keep up with the M3 till 100mph, we all agree from there there isnt any chance not even with any tune, and from those magazine numbers the M3 is just as fast and even faster than the SL63 AMG, so that makes my story completely reliable, and i repeat for those of you who haven driven an '11 N55 matted with the DCT in Sport mode and with the Break-in period completed you dont know how fast this thing goes, the gearbox is simply amazing

The C&D test showed 4.4 not 4.8. I posted it above.
Granted it's 'only' .2, but it's .2 to 60 and goes up from there.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/..._amg-road_test

I don't discount that the N55 on a given day may keep up with or even edge an SL63, as street conditions and drivers, and settings vary.
But, if I had to put money down on an actual drag race where both cars are being driven by competent drivers, I'd easily put my money on the SL and not think twice.

You race demonstrates that clinical tests and real world encounters don't always match up.
Good run.

Some info I got from C&D for reference.

As far as the 135i N54 or N55 acceleration keeping up with the current M3, I don't see where or how that could happen.
C&D tested a 2008 MT M3 at 4.4, and a 2008 DCT at 4.3/2009 at 4.1, and a 2010 DCT at 3.9!

The previous gen M3 best was around 4.5 MT/4.8 SMG, that's the M3 that our 135i's can potentially keep up with.

The 1M is being rumored to give the current M3 a run for it's money on an actual track or road course, due to excellent suspension and grip.

You've seen the N55 DCT go to 60 in 4.6, that's the same as the N54 MT does, and it's not as fast nor faster than the current M3. Neither engine version or trans 135i is going to keep up with the M3, and certainly not once the speeds head north of 80mph. That 3.9 M3 DCT hit 100 in 9.4 seconds! The 135i is about 2 seconds slower, not bad really, but a big difference.

We haven't seen any pro reviews of the N55 MT so that we can compare the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times between the transmissions.
If you have some please share, cause I've been hoping someone would it.
Most I've seen so far is that the DCT is .1 faster to 60 than the MT version. That could be the split second difference in a manual shift compared to the DCT.

[MarkR171]

For the 135i vs M3 debate, here's a video from a Japanese review (Best Motoring):

The drivers in their reviews are JGTC race car drivers. They do 2 races, each driver drives each car once so both cars get a fair representation. Obviously, one driver is faster than the other in this video, but it shows the 135i is only slower than the M3 by 1/10 of a second to 1/4 mile with the same (faster) driver.

With that N54 6MT 135i running a 13.3, I'm willing to bet an N55 DCT 135i can run a 13.0 or even a 12.999.

[The1]

lol, that video was 3:46 of 2 guys giggling in a different language.... pretty amusing.

The AMG had to have been in comfort mode or something with grandpa behind the wheel.... or someone too short to be able to press the peddle down all the way to the floor. I don't doubt the DTC is fast.... but it's just not going to win that fight.

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by jprooney

from what i have been reading here and in magazines tests, it is completely possible the N55 DCT 135i can keep up and beat a SL63, those magazine test tell the SL goes to 60mph in 4.8 sec, C&D est. the N55 DCT goes to 60mph in 4.6 sec, the same C&D tells the M3 goes to 60 in 4.1 seg, but most magazines have done it 4.4 segs, and from what i said and other users said the 135i N55 DCT can keep up with the M3 till 100mph, we all agree from there there isnt any chance not even with any tune, and from those magazine numbers the M3 is just as fast and even faster than the SL63 AMG, so that makes my story completely reliable, and i repeat for those of you who haven driven an '11 N55 matted with the DCT in Sport mode and with the Break-in period completed you dont know how fast this thing goes, the gearbox is simply amazing

Ur #s are so off 0 ta 60 in a M3 4.1????? My friend has the new aston martin dbs volante and clocked 4.3 sec... Its a V12... I wish a 135i had a 0 ta 60 of 4.6... U might want to try 5 sec or on a good day 4.8/4.9...

Im surprised a lot of guys who take their car to the track isnt here to agree...

Oh ya take a stock 135i and dyno it you wont even get 300hp....

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by MarkR171

For the 135i vs M3 debate, here's a video from a Japanese review (Best Motoring):

The drivers in their reviews are JGTC race car drivers. They do 2 races, each driver drives each car once so both cars get a fair representation. Obviously, one driver is faster than the other in this video, but it shows the 135i is only slower than the M3 by 1/10 of a second to 1/4 mile with the same (faster) driver.

With that N54 6MT 135i running a 13.3, I'm willing to bet an N55 DCT 135i can run a 13.0 or even a 12.999.

The DTC isnt any faster than the old motor.. And u picked the most controversial vid ever... Really japan is going to like a 6 twin turbo better than a V8..

I have been behind the wheel of a cl 550, e class AMG, C Class amg, Clk Amg these cars are in a different class than a 135... i wouldn't even compare the M3 ta a Sl...

[The1]

Originally Posted by Stoutnj89

Ur #s are so off 0 ta 60 in a M3 4.1????? My friend has the new aston martin dbs volante and clocked 4.3 sec... Its a V12... I wish a 135i had a 0 ta 60 of 4.6... U might want to try 5 sec or on a good day 4.8/4.9...

Im surprised a lot of guys who take their car to the track isnt here to agree...

Oh ya take a stock 135i and dyno it you wont even get 300hp....

1st of all, track doesn't clock 0-60, so those guys wouldn't have an answer for you unless they are carrying other timing gear with them. it would be speculation or just reading dribble from magazines regarding such times.

secondly, there's a big difference between engine HP and wheel HP

no car will ever get what is claimed by the manufacturer, so yes, you're right, you won't get 300hp.... funny thing is though, if you pulled your engine out and put it on an engine dyno, i bet you'd get more then the manufacturers claim of 300. maybe 310-315 hp as factory seems to be conservative.

3rd, he wasn't comparing them, he was racing them. you can race a horse agaist a jet, it's still a race....

[NewYearsBoy]

U guy need to look at price.... 36 ta 44k... for the 135i and a Sl is almost 200k.... I know my place and as much as I want my car to be as fast as a SL AMG.. It isnt even close... Maybe slap some mods on the 135i... But we (135i) do have a baby M3... And a M3 would have trouble taking the NEW SL AMG...

[NewYearsBoy]

Originally Posted by The1

1st of all, track doesn't clock 0-60, so those guys wouldn't have an answer for you unless they are carrying other timing gear with them. it would be speculation or just reading dribble from magazines regarding such times.

secondly, there's a big difference between engine HP and wheel HP

no car will ever get what is claimed by the manufacturer, so yes, you're right, you won't get 300hp.... funny thing is though, if you pulled your engine out and put it on an engine dyno, i bet you'd get more then the manufacturers claim of 300. maybe 310-315 hp as factory seems to be conservative.

3rd, he wasn't comparing them, he was racing them. you can race a horse agaist a jet, it's still a race....

Yes... I didn't want to get that technical.. Haha.. But thanks..

[MarkR171]

Originally Posted by Stoutnj89

The DTC isnt any faster than the old motor.. And u picked the most controversial vid ever... Really japan is going to like a 6 twin turbo better than a V8..

DTC isn't faster than the old motor? You're comparing a transmission to an engine. The DTC is faster than the 6MT, the N55 and the N54 are barely any different.

Why is the video controversial? Because it's in Japan? How do you know what they like better? All they did was race them, switch cars, and race them again. The results don't lie. The M3 is faster, but not much until you get to the higher speeds. Why? 135i has more torque and is lighter while M3 has more horsepower and the engine is stronger in the higher RPMs.

Originally Posted by Stoutnj89

I have been behind the wheel of a cl 550, e class AMG, C Class amg, Clk Amg these cars are in a different class than a 135... i wouldn't even compare the M3 ta a Sl...

I've been behind the wheel of an E55 and SLK55 myself. They're quick, but not that quick.

Originally Posted by Stoutnj89

U guy need to look at price.... 36 ta 44k... for the 135i and a Sl is almost 200k.... I know my place and as much as I want my car to be as fast as a SL AMG.. It isnt even close... Maybe slap some mods on the 135i... But we (135i) do have a baby M3... And a M3 would have trouble taking the NEW SL AMG...

Since when was price a factor in determining performance? Mustang GT vs M3. Huge difference in price, very little difference in performance.

Originally Posted by Stoutnj89

Ur #s are so off 0 ta 60 in a M3 4.1????? My friend has the new aston martin dbs volante and clocked 4.3 sec... Its a V12... I wish a 135i had a 0 ta 60 of 4.6... U might want to try 5 sec or on a good day 4.8/4.9...

3 minutes in, 4.7 0-60 with a Steptronic N54. The DTC should easily be able to match if not beat that slightly.



Your arguments are very weak... nothing based on fact and not very well thought out.


It's very possible the OP was able to match/pull against a SL63 AMG from 5mph. The amount of torque that thing puts down would likely spin the tires if the driver were to punch it. The traction control on MBs are very irritating in that they really bog the car down. I'm willing to bet the driver of the SL63 mashed the throttle, and had a very slow start due to traction control interfering, while the 135i driver had no traction issues.

[MarkR171]

So in the Motortrend video and Best Motoring video, and the experiences of many 135i owners on this board tells us the 135i runs a 13.3 quartermile in stock form.

Here's Car and Driver's SL63 test data. 4.4 0-60, and 12.9 quarter mile. With only a .4 difference in quarter mile time, the two cars really aren't that different in speed. Add a DTC to the 135i and it will be quicker making the gap even less.
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...7c2b736115.pdf


Numbers don't lie... sure the SL is faster, but not by much. The OP's story is plausible.

[GotM]

4/10ths does not sound like much, but that is 4-5 car lengths(~100mph) at the end of a 1/4 mile. That is a fairly visible difference.

[jpdb]

Actually i had more trouble in the start of the second roll, as he started earlier and i was able to catch him little by little and then pass him
Guys as MarkR171 said the difference in price isnt and indicator of performance, and from what i have been reading the SL63 AMG isnt that much of the best we all seem to think, it is actually slower than the old SL55 AMG, its a different story when we start talking about a SL65 AMG.
Also many magazines have quoted they made it to 60mph in a manual trans 135i in 4.8 secs, so and believe the DCT trans is really a lot faster than the manual one, so from my point of view it is completely possible, i mean we made 2 rolls i won both of them, im pretty sure that from 100mph and above the SL63 AMG would have smoked me!

Here i leave you a video of a Stock M3 vs a Stock C63 AMG, wich is faster than the SL63 AMG:

Originally Posted by MarkR171

It's very possible the OP was able to match/pull against a SL63 AMG from 5mph. The amount of torque that thing puts down would likely spin the tires if the driver were to punch it. The traction control on MBs are very irritating in that they really bog the car down. I'm willing to bet the driver of the SL63 mashed the throttle, and had a very slow start due to traction control interfering, while the 135i driver had no traction issues.

[Kyle_e90]

My stock 07 STI smoke the SL55 AMG.