JB3

[dadasracecar]

Bias toward who? PROcede - no. JB3 - no. Standback - not available.

YOU SHOULD PULL TIMING WHEN UPPING BOOST - applies to any and all situations.

One more thing, Laloosh is not a part of P3 Performance or cp-e. He just knows his shit.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar

I am part of a start up tune/install shop called P3Performance, LLC and we work very closely with cp-e. We just got the keys for our place on Saturday. We don't even have the lift installed yet.

The coincidence with the other site, P3 Cars is unfortunate but we have had this name in mind for a very long time and are known as P3 Performance in the Mazda community - currently our biggest market - so we really can't change the name.

I don't sell and won't ever sell the PROcede.

cp-e is developing a piggyback tuning solution called the Standback for the BMW. I am beta testing it on my car.

The majority of my posts are describing cp-e products. I hang out with them weekly and I believe 100% in the quality and research behind each one. When our internet site is up and our shop is rolling, we will be selling and installing them.

None of this matters as my feelings about control of timing when upping the boost are made not as a potential seller but as a tuner. The Standback is not available yet and won't be for a little while. If you're upping the boost significantly you should pull timing. Straight up. The Procede does it by cps offset - as does the Standback. cp-e will not be changing the timing control based on anything BMS says or doesn't say. THey don't need to. It works perfectly.

Thanks for the explanation... "The P3 Cars Company, LLC" (www.p3cars.com) started as an exotic car importer here in Ohio... and its expanding to online parts sales...

[dadasracecar]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

Thanks for the explanation... "The P3 Cars Company, LLC" (www.p3cars.com) started as an exotic car importer here in Ohio... and its expanding to online parts sales... don't ever plan to have a shop, etc...

Maybe we can have a link to your site on ours and vice versa to prevent confusion. I have a friend with a vegan bakery called Sticky Fingers. She has the same arrangement with a porn site. LMFAO.

[JohnnyTT]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar

I am part of a start up tune/install shop called P3Performance, LLC and we work very closely with cp-e. We just got the keys for our place on Saturday. We don't even have the lift installed yet.

The coincidence with the other site, P3 Cars is unfortunate but we have had this name in mind for a very long time and are known as P3 Performance in the Mazda community - currently our biggest market - so we really can't change the name.

I don't sell and won't ever sell the PROcede.

cp-e is developing a piggyback tuning solution called the Standback for the BMW. I am beta testing it on my car.

The majority of my posts are describing cp-e products. I hang out with them weekly and I believe 100% in the quality and research behind each one. When our internet site is up and our shop is rolling, we will be selling and installing them.

None of this matters as my feelings about control of timing when upping the boost are made not as a potential seller but as a tuner. The Standback is not available yet and won't be for a little while. If you're upping the boost significantly you should pull timing. Straight up. The Procede does it by cps offset - as does the Standback. cp-e will not be changing the timing control based on anything BMS says or doesn't say. THey don't need to. It works perfectly.

Well... Thanks for telling us who you are. It would have been nice to know this earlier so the "mystery" didn't derail this thread. :smm7:

Knowing that you're a private installer. Why are you so ANTI-JB3?

Procede and JB3 seem to work great and without problems. Is it possible that he's doing something different that others haven't figured out yet?

[JohnnyTT]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar

Maybe we can have a link to your site on ours and vice versa to prevent confusion. I have a friend with a vegan bakery called Sticky Fingers. She has the same arrangement with a porn site. LMFAO.

So I can order some pastries and get a coupon for 25% off porn??...at the same time!!

[Juicer]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

I am not reporting a person, I just mentioned the thread to a moderator so it can be cleaned up.

Although if dadadaracecar is indeed a shope, vendor, or a tuner, or something, he shouldn't be posting about products that compete with his... thats a big nono...

His posts are negative in nature towards both JB3 and the procede. He is clearly promoting CPE products which he sells.

[TunedM2C]

Originally Posted by laloosh

my posts are negative towards both as well....are you going to report me?

You're not a vendor are you? This site doesn't allow vendors to promote outside the commercial section of this forum.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by laloosh

my posts are negative towards both as well....are you going to report me?

Hell i got banned from this forum after 4 posts because the mods thought i was some1 im not lol. It took a damn ip trace and over a week of waiting before they realized they were wrong.

Its more about making sure vendors or tuners don't use negative marketing tactics to sell products, or cram up the forum with commercial posts... I think its a good policy.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4208

[dadasracecar]

Originally Posted by JohnnyTT

Well... Thanks for telling us who you are. It would have been nice to know this earlier so the "mystery" didn't derail this thread. :smm7:

Knowing that you're a private installer. Why are you so ANTI-JB3?

Procede and JB3 seem to work great and without problems. Is it possible that he's doing something different that others haven't figured out yet?

That guy Scalbert said he tested all of the inputs and outputs of the two systems and didn't find that the JB3 was controlling timing. The only other way I know to influence timing would be to scale the IAT hotter. That would affect too many other systems though.

I'm pretty anti PROcede and JB3. I don't really like one-tune-fits-all kinds of things. I learned by tuning my mazda and understanding what does what and I prefer a setup that allows me to set a boost target, adjust a fuel or timing map, add a water/meth system, etc. Not get a "hot map" or a "race map+" or a "low torque map." I want to have control over what I'm doing to my car. My issue with the JB3 is I think it's dangerous to not control timing and I haven't been convinced it does.

I didn't really realize there was a mystery. Sorry about that.

[jeremyc74]

Originally Posted by trent05

His posts are negative in nature towards both JB3 and the procede. He is clearly promoting CPE products which he sells.

I tend to agree. I was holding out for the CPE Piggyback, but after 4 months of waiting I gave up on it.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ight=piggyback

Either way, I'll take anything he says with a grain of salt. There's no way he's completely unbiased when his business depends on selling a competitors products.

The guys from CP-E seemed pretty decent to me. Someone should point them to this thread and let them know they've been involved in it. If I were running a performance parts company I wouldn't want one of my representatives involved in a thread about a competitor's products, especially not one with the tone this one has taken.

[JohnnyTT]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar

That guy Scalbert said he tested all of the inputs and outputs of the two systems and didn't find that the JB3 was controlling timing. The only other way I know to influence timing would be to scale the IAT hotter. That would affect too many other systems though.

I'm pretty anti PROcede and JB3. I don't really like one-tune-fits-all kinds of things. I learned by tuning my mazda and understanding what does what and I prefer a setup that allows me to set a boost target, adjust a fuel or timing map, add a water/meth system, etc. Not get a "hot map" or a "race map+" or a "low torque map." I want to have control over what I'm doing to my car. My issue with the JB3 is I think it's dangerous to not control timing and I haven't been convinced it does.

Now that is a well written post. I actually understand your point now.

I'm tired of reading all these posts that are 90% ranting, 10% information.

Originally Posted by dadasracecar

I didn't really realize there was a mystery. Sorry about that.

I meant the mystery of who you are.... and thanks for clearing that up.

[Juicer]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

I tend to agree. I was holding out for the CPE Piggyback, but after 4 months of waiting I gave up on it.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...ight=piggyback

Either way, I'll take anything he says with a grain of salt. There's no way he's completely unbiased when his business depends on selling a competitors products.

The guys from CP-E seemed pretty decent to me. Someone should point them to this thread and let them know they've been involved in it. If I were running a performance parts company I wouldn't want one of my representatives involved in a thread about a competitor's products, especially not one with the tone this one has taken.

I agree. From what I know CPE seems to be a good company. I noticed how he kept promoting the DPs on here and e90 acting like he had no association with the company (even though it was clear he did). I think it is unfair to the other vendors (like RIX) who post in the appropriate area. In this thread he has taken it further to bash both the JB3 and Procede which are direct competitors of his new product to be released. IMO it makes CPE look bad.

BTW I have no association with any vendors or products/services for any cars.

[larryn]

Originally Posted by laloosh

Hell i got banned from this forum after 4 posts because the mods thought i was some1 im not lol. It took a damn ip trace and over a week of waiting before they realized they were wrong.

You were banned because you appeared to be TJ from FibreOptix. Harold (the Admin) is the only person who can do an IP trace, and you had another account in the meanwhile. You were aware of the situation immediately too.

And.. it's not too cool to air private things in public. Thank you.


As for the rest of vendors and resellers, please adhere to the stickied post on the top of Commercial forum. Quite a few infractions and bans have been given out in the past for non-compliance.

Originally Posted by JohnnyTT

I'm tired of reading all these posts that are 90% ranting, 10% information.

And to the rest of the non-vendors, please take a step back and discuss things in a more rational manner. It seems things are getting unnecessarily heated here.

Vielen Dank! :biggrin:

[esses]

Good read. Lots of info, drama, and Larryn. Even TJ made a cameo! Truly a 1addicts classic in the making. All we are missing is..

[adc]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar

cp-e is developing a piggyback tuning solution called the Standback for the BMW. I am beta testing it on my car.

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The Procede does it by cps offset - as does the Standback. cp-e will not be changing the timing control based on anything BMS says or doesn't say.

If you are just beta-testing stuff and not actually developing it, then I'm sorry to say you have no idea what cp-e will or will not do. Companies will use any new technology that gives them the advantage. (Assuming there is a new technology or technique involved).

That sounds just like BMW a few years ago confidently saying they will never use turbocharging in the M division...

[ssabripo]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar

.....My issue with the JB3 is I think it's dangerous to not control timing and I haven't been convinced it does...

and exactly why should we care that you are not convinced?

seriously, this has been addressed several times, and YES, JB3 does control timing. Just because they don't disclose how they do it, or you and scalbert and Shiv and whoever else haven't figured out how they do it, doesn't mean they don't. Proof is in the pudding.

[dadasracecar]

Originally Posted by ssabripo

and exactly why should we care that you are not convinced?

seriously, this has been addressed several times, and YES, JB3 does control timing. Just because they don't disclose how they do it, or you and scalbert and Shiv and whoever else haven't figured out how they do it, doesn't mean they don't. Proof is in the pudding.

I don't know how you can be so sure of that. There is absolutely no proof or even a plausible explanation of how timing is controlled.

[TakeOne]

From another "known site"
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12-31-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by jam0321
okay, since everyone thinks this technobabble is to advanced for everyone, let me ask this in a simple 3rd grade manner...

Terry, does JB3 control timing???
Check yes or no

yes no
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[ssabripo]

Originally Posted by dadasracecar

I don't know how you can be so sure of that. There is absolutely no proof or even a plausible explanation of how timing is controlled.

and yet there are almost no CEL's, Limp modes, and knocks, despite pretty high levels of boost, which logically tells you there HAS to be timing controls......so how are YOU so sure there is not?

strawman's argument my friend....you are the one saying that he doesn't control, and yet BMS says they do but are not disclosing it.

[ronnyek]

laloosh, its a conspiracy man...

I know its relatively new motor to the tuning world, and the only engine I've heard have catastrophic failure thats even remotely related to a tune, was a shiv tune... and honestly I really dont think it was his tune.

ECU's may not do it aggressively, but stock ecus will correct for bad gas etc, so whats to say thats a stupid way of doing it. I mean would you really rather have something on a very fixed static tune, and that bad tank of gas grenades your motor?

There is nothing wrong with Terry not wanting to disclose trade secrets, so get off the high horse... if you dont want it, dont buy it.

[ronnyek]

? nice... assumptions, you know what happens when you make assumptions.

[///M ichael]

You all are limping to JB hell....