The amazing ///1M

Beemer22 · 11-20-2011, 05:11 PM

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0-60 can be acheived in 4.2 seconds, but it doesn't stop there:

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MrRoboto · 11-20-2011, 05:46 PM

Our big brother appears to be the 'slowest' on that list.

Redadair · 11-20-2011, 05:55 PM

Nice points of view on true everyday driving.

Beemer22 · 11-20-2011, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Our big brother appears to be the 'slowest' on that list.

A bit heavy. It's a shame really. If the M3 did weight 500 pounds less, it would have been nice

1978.530i · 11-20-2011, 06:26 PM

Wow!

ozinaldo · 11-20-2011, 06:35 PM

There was an older thread about this. The source for those in gear timesare from Autocar magazine. In fact, at the time I found that so interesting I checked out every performance car they have tested in last 3 years or so and I have a hand-written list of more cars there: long story short, if we don't take into account one single discipline but all of them which is easy if you just add all numbers and the least the total the better the score! I did that and then put the results in order from best to worst (I know different times, drivers and conditions but Autocar is not that bad magazine and should reflect some truth anyway): 1M was behind only the GT-R Black Edition and Ferrari Italia! Guess who else is in the list behind: just to name one, world record holder for who-knows-how many things Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, with a nose but still!

In fact, this comparison is one of the reasons that make me believe that stock hp and torque numbers are seriously underrated and it may have closer to 600 nm rather than 450 or 500.

On the other hand, I doubt a stock 1M can make the 0-60 in 4.2 sec. especially with Michelin PS2s, around 4.4-4.5 is more realistic for that type of accelaration.

Owners of this little in-gear monster be proud!

Beemer22 · 11-20-2011, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozinaldo

There was an older thread about this. The source for those in gear timesare from Autocar magazine. In fact, at the time I found that so interesting I checked out every performance car they have tested in last 3 years or so and I have a hand-written list of more cars there: long story short, if we don't take into account one single discipline but all of them which is easy if you just add all numbers and the least the total the better the score! I did that and then put the results in order from best to worst (I know different times, drivers and conditions but Autocar is not that bad magazine and should reflect some truth anyway): 1M was behind only the GT-R Black Edition and Ferrari Italia! Guess who else is in the list behind: just to name one, world record holder for who-knows-how many things Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, with a nose but still!

In fact, this comparison is one of the reasons that make me believe that stock hp and torque numbers are seriously underrated and it may have closer to 600 nm rather than 450 or 500.

On the other hand, I doubt a stock 1M can make the 0-60 in 4.2 sec. especially with Michelin PS2s, around 4.4-4.5 is more realistic for that type of accelaration.

Owners of this little in-gear monster be proud!

Yes and with tunes available to get 450 hp and 410 ib of torque, the fun really begins....

ChrisBuer · 11-21-2011, 06:27 AM

AutoExpress (UK mag) timed the 1M's 30-70mph time as 4 seconds! Pretty impressive I'd say!!

Fundahl · 11-21-2011, 07:47 AM

I dyno'd 370ft-lbs at the wheels STOCK on a Mustang Dyne. (Heartbreaker)

Only 298whp though. I REALLY need to get some higher flowing turbos to be truly happy with the torque curve.

But no doubt, this is the most liveable and fun DD I've ever had!

MrRoboto · 11-21-2011, 07:56 AM

Imagine a 1M equipped with the E9x V8?

clived · 11-21-2011, 08:06 AM

Yeah, what a nose-heavy barge that would be!

ozinaldo · 11-21-2011, 08:31 AM

Agree with clived, plus we are talking about how the torque more than compensates the high end power here, why would we even imagine a 1M with V8? Wouldn't it be a shorter and slightly lighter M3 without its own personality? In fact, I kind of imagined this like most people and I am real happy with the N54T, thank you very much.

My notes from Autocar's road tests in gear data, according to the ordering method I have explained in my first post here (the smallest the total time the better it is) indicates the following:

1) Ferrrari 458 Italia
2) Nissan GT-R Black Edition
3) BMW 1M
4) Bugatti Veyron Super Sport
5) Lexus LFA
6) Ferrari F430 F1
7) Aston Martin DBS
8) Audi RS3
9) Audi R8 V10
10) Porsche 911 3.8 GT3 RS
11) Audi R8 V8
12) Audi RS5
13) BMW (E92) M3
14) Lotus Evora S

MrRoboto · 11-21-2011, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clived

Yeah, what a nose-heavy barge that would be!

Wouldn't be that much difference at all.

Isn't the S65 ~445lbs and the N54 ~430lbs?

Fundahl · 11-21-2011, 09:09 AM

The 1M wouldn't be a nose-heavy barge even with the V10, but that is irrelevant anyway.

I think a 1M with a supercharged S65 would be AWESOME! But, wayyyy to much money for the setup.

jnm · 11-21-2011, 03:05 PM

IMHO a 1M with a M3 V8 engine in it would be completely missing the point of the 1M in the first place. Why not get an M3 directly??? The only difference would be weight (you can mod the M3 to get that weight parity) and shorter wheelbase (ok, that you could not do anything about), but why? Is anyone complaining that the M3 is too long wheelbase?

TEAM SLO · 11-21-2011, 03:49 PM

I hate how the magazines post specific gear 30-50 and such times.... With different gearing in each car, a longer geared car would be at a severe disadvantage as the results prove it.

mPlasticDesign · 11-21-2011, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slo135

I hate how the magazines post specific gear 30-50 and such times.... With different gearing in each car, a longer geared car would be at a severe disadvantage as the results prove it.

That's like saying you hate how they post times with cars with different engine displacements and the cars with much smaller displacements are at a severe disadvantage. I'm not I am sure I understand your point....?

TEAM SLO · 11-21-2011, 04:05 PM

They post lets say 30-50mph in 3th gear. Going to a car like the EVO VIII IX or X 5 speed with very short gears, it will accelerate fairly well. You take on the other hand a car like the Z06 with extremely long gears, 3rd gear at 30mph is well under 2k rpms where it needs time to build up speed.

Consumers that are unaware, would just read it as "Oh, the evo is quicker in 3rd gear" when it is severely incorrect. All out performance numbers.... doesn't matter what engine displacement, times are times when you say 0-60, 1320, etc.

Also road course times, just because car "A" beat car "B" at a specific track, doesn't mean car "A" will beat car "B" at every track. If magazines post times from various cars at 30-50mph in 3rd or 4th gear, they should also mentioned how low in RPM's that specific car was.

M3 Adjuster · 11-21-2011, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fundahl

I dyno'd 370ft-lbs at the wheels STOCK on a Mustang Dyne. (Heartbreaker)

Only 298whp though. I REALLY need to get some higher flowing turbos to be truly happy with the torque curve.

But no doubt, this is the most liveable and fun DD I've ever had!

a friend of mine came up with almost the exact same numbers on a mustang dyno on his car.

rogbmw · 11-21-2011, 05:33 PM

You know.... dyno can say all they want to...my Butt Dyno says if I see a spot I need to go to, the 1M can go there easier than just about any other car I have owned in my 40 years of being a licensed driver (yes - I am 56). And remember, Butt Dyno's are used in everyday life, and don't lie!

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Redadair Major 103 Rep 1,417 Posts Drives: 2011 1M #293 - 88 E30 M3 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Murray iTrader: (0)	Nice points of view on true everyday driving. __________________ 2011 1M, Valencia Orange, All options. August 8th ED (#293 of 739 or 740) 88 E30 M3 100% OEM 73K Miles 02 E39 M5 Le Mans Blue 50K Miles 06 E46 M3 ZCP 58K Miles
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11-20-2011, 06:35 PM	#6
ozinaldo Brigadier General 116 Rep 3,070 Posts Drives: 1M Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Lisbon, Portugal iTrader: (0)	There was an older thread about this. The source for those in gear timesare from Autocar magazine. In fact, at the time I found that so interesting I checked out every performance car they have tested in last 3 years or so and I have a hand-written list of more cars there: long story short, if we don't take into account one single discipline but all of them which is easy if you just add all numbers and the least the total the better the score! I did that and then put the results in order from best to worst (I know different times, drivers and conditions but Autocar is not that bad magazine and should reflect some truth anyway): 1M was behind only the GT-R Black Edition and Ferrari Italia! Guess who else is in the list behind: just to name one, world record holder for who-knows-how many things Bugatti Veyron Super Sport, with a nose but still! In fact, this comparison is one of the reasons that make me believe that stock hp and torque numbers are seriously underrated and it may have closer to 600 nm rather than 450 or 500. On the other hand, I doubt a stock 1M can make the 0-60 in 4.2 sec. especially with Michelin PS2s, around 4.4-4.5 is more realistic for that type of accelaration. Owners of this little in-gear monster be proud!
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ChrisBuer Captain 69 Rep 632 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	AutoExpress (UK mag) timed the 1M's 30-70mph time as 4 seconds! Pretty impressive I'd say!!
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Fundahl Captain 8 Rep 704 Posts Drives: VO 1M, 300zx TT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas iTrader: (0)	I dyno'd 370ft-lbs at the wheels STOCK on a Mustang Dyne. (Heartbreaker) Only 298whp though. I REALLY need to get some higher flowing turbos to be truly happy with the torque curve. But no doubt, this is the most liveable and fun DD I've ever had!
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11-21-2011, 07:56 AM	#10
MrRoboto Brigadier General 1846 Rep 4,836 Posts Drives: VO 1M Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	Imagine a 1M equipped with the E9x V8?
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clived Captain 39 Rep 812 Posts Drives: Evolved 1M Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Yeah, what a nose-heavy barge that would be! __________________ 2019+ BSM M2C 2011-2012: VO 1M Coupe, many toys, Evolve Stage 3. 2008-2011: 135i M Sport Le Mans Blue / Lemon / HGSL. Evolve OBD remap - 390bhp. Also in the family: X3 M40d / Audi S4 (V8)
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ozinaldo Brigadier General 116 Rep 3,070 Posts Drives: 1M Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Lisbon, Portugal iTrader: (0)	Agree with clived, plus we are talking about how the torque more than compensates the high end power here, why would we even imagine a 1M with V8? Wouldn't it be a shorter and slightly lighter M3 without its own personality? In fact, I kind of imagined this like most people and I am real happy with the N54T, thank you very much. My notes from Autocar's road tests in gear data, according to the ordering method I have explained in my first post here (the smallest the total time the better it is) indicates the following: 1) Ferrrari 458 Italia 2) Nissan GT-R Black Edition 3) BMW 1M 4) Bugatti Veyron Super Sport 5) Lexus LFA 6) Ferrari F430 F1 7) Aston Martin DBS 8) Audi RS3 9) Audi R8 V10 10) Porsche 911 3.8 GT3 RS 11) Audi R8 V8 12) Audi RS5 13) BMW (E92) M3 14) Lotus Evora S
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11-21-2011, 09:09 AM	#14
Fundahl Captain 8 Rep 704 Posts Drives: VO 1M, 300zx TT Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Corpus Christi, Texas iTrader: (0)	The 1M wouldn't be a nose-heavy barge even with the V10, but that is irrelevant anyway. I think a 1M with a supercharged S65 would be AWESOME! But, wayyyy to much money for the setup.
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jnm Second Lieutenant 16 Rep 242 Posts Drives: fast, but could be faster Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	IMHO a 1M with a M3 V8 engine in it would be completely missing the point of the 1M in the first place. Why not get an M3 directly??? The only difference would be weight (you can mod the M3 to get that weight parity) and shorter wheelbase (ok, that you could not do anything about), but why? Is anyone complaining that the M3 is too long wheelbase?
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TEAM SLO Slo'est E90 around 36 Rep 300 Posts Drives: 135i gone, 2011 335IX e90 6mt Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: denver iTrader: (0)	I hate how the magazines post specific gear 30-50 and such times.... With different gearing in each car, a longer geared car would be at a severe disadvantage as the results prove it.
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TEAM SLO Slo'est E90 around 36 Rep 300 Posts Drives: 135i gone, 2011 335IX e90 6mt Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: denver iTrader: (0)	They post lets say 30-50mph in 3th gear. Going to a car like the EVO VIII IX or X 5 speed with very short gears, it will accelerate fairly well. You take on the other hand a car like the Z06 with extremely long gears, 3rd gear at 30mph is well under 2k rpms where it needs time to build up speed. Consumers that are unaware, would just read it as "Oh, the evo is quicker in 3rd gear" when it is severely incorrect. All out performance numbers.... doesn't matter what engine displacement, times are times when you say 0-60, 1320, etc. Also road course times, just because car "A" beat car "B" at a specific track, doesn't mean car "A" will beat car "B" at every track. If magazines post times from various cars at 30-50mph in 3rd or 4th gear, they should also mentioned how low in RPM's that specific car was. Last edited by TEAM SLO; 11-21-2011 at 04:35 PM..
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rogbmw Second Lieutenant 31 Rep 272 Posts Drives: Alpina B12 5.0 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	You know.... dyno can say all they want to...my Butt Dyno says if I see a spot I need to go to, the 1M can go there easier than just about any other car I have owned in my 40 years of being a licensed driver (yes - I am 56). And remember, Butt Dyno's are used in everyday life, and don't lie!
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