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M5: 580hp 4.4L S63 V8 M3: 480hp 3.0L S55 I6 1M: 380hp 2.?L S20 I4 Flame if you must, but I'll bet you I am not way into the weeds here. It's going to be around these figures, and people are going to be surprised. |
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if the M gets more than 2ltrs. that would be great; i'd love to see 2.2-2.4.(hopefully the 0.5ltr/cyl. displacement will be excepted for the 1M).that certainly would allow for your output estimate and get torque north of 280ft-lbs(@2.2ltr). but i'm still hoping for lighter as well. |
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i so Agree with you man . everything you just said I AGREE |
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I have only one concern about the //1M:
Before the partial unveiling: "This will be the most pure guze-pimplezz inducing M car ever. We will rock ze wurld". During and after the partial unveiling:"Keep in mind that we had very little time and money to work with. Please bear with us for the next generation //1M. We hope that an N54is engine will still your passions for the moment, while our M-gineers work on the next generation's engine." |
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09-14-2010, 05:23 PM | #51 | |
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I think BMW has something like a building block system for their upcoming engine generation (3cyl 1,5l; 4 cyl 2,0l; 6cyl 3,0l).... so I am a bit skeptical regarding 4 cyl with considerably more than 2,0l.... Keep in mind that the 1M shall stay an affordable car - that forbids too much expense for engine block adjustments.... According to mkoersel estimation: 1M: 380hp 2.?L S20 I4 Even if we have an 2,2l displacement that would mean 172 PS/l - that is still a lot... when you compare it to the also high expection of him regarding the M3 engine: 480hp 3.0L S55 I6 => 160.... all rumour I heared till now was 450PS for the S55 => 150 PS/l |
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09-14-2010, 06:03 PM | #52 | |
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In all honesty Efficient Dynamics is not marketing because it is actually a concept that works. I can understand if you are not familiar with European models but Efficient dynamics technology has brought BMW signifcant reductions in reducing fuel and C02 levels across it's range of models. Each BMW model from the 1er right up to the 7er is more efficient than it's rivals. BMW are not the highest ranking sustainable automobile company for nothing. Where other manufacturers are going for reductions of 5-10% in fuel consumption, BMW are aiming for about 20% in reductions , BMW likes to push the envelope as far as it can. The same goes for the M division which they are looking for greater fuel economy and lower emissions helped by a new lightweight philosophy without sacrificing performance and dynamics. The M5 begins that new era. And it will rock the segment. |
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09-14-2010, 06:30 PM | #53 |
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This is good to hear... saddened it's not part of the program on the e82 1M, but I digress. I guess my kids will have great BMW's.
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I think BMW is trying to test the water by only producing 3000ish 1M to see what will happen if they cut the V8 M engines on future M cars.
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Efficient dynamics on the M5.
I get it v8 and turbo is less Co2 But It would be awesome to see if the M5 was 200kg lighter. But i quess that s not the efficient dynamics what they have in mind. Car is bigger and heavier again is my quess. |
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Ok, well consider me a skeptical consumer who nevertheless has faith in BMW's ability to build better, cleaner, faster, more efficient cars.
I guess what I mean is, the phrase "Efficient Dynamics" is merely a marketers (or rather marketing team's or PR firm's) branding of a set of philosophies and technologies that BMW has developed or is developing. As such, there is implied a range of efficiency and a range of dynamicity (is that a word? ). So, just because something gets that brand doesn't mean it's automatically better (by whatever measure we choose) than something else that doesn't, or as good as something else that does. Like I said, the M3, even with Efficient Dynamics label sprinkled about its PR material is not a fuel efficient car. Sure its a very dynamic car, and maybe its so dynamic that the fuel efficiency doesn't matter (thats kind of how I feel ), but really putting that label on that car does favors for neither that label nor that car. (How was that reply? Sufficiently policitcally correct and wordy? ) Quote:
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Unfortunately, I agree with this comment.
It's not terribly difficult for the end consumer to buy a 2 year old car and yank the heavy front seats, pull out the a/c system, sound deadening material, rear seats, etc, to make a lightweight car. Lotus has offered us a car like this in the Elise/Exige. Sold OK, but not such a success that I see them around much... and Lotus USA is headquartered just a few miles from my home. Quote:
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I'm definitely still interested... my 135i will turn 4 in the spring of 2012, which is the earliest I'd consider buying a 1M. I'll be watching closely to see how it shakes out. |
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I'd love to see someone over 6'0 try to get in one. |
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I personally don't care for the mid engined driving dynamic and really hope that Mazda gets the next Miata/RX7 correct, meaning very light weight, not too much power assist on steering, brakes, etc and at least something near to what the FD RX7 offered in terms of power to weight. I'd be happy with something under 2,400 pounds and something near 200 hp. |
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I'd expect they limited availability of 1M mainly to protect 335iS coupe. I think it'll be tough to sell one with a 1M availlable.
I HOPE it's also because they "took some chances" with high boost and other compromises and they're limiting the scale of any problems. |
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