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Arrow Jlevi SW | Photos From My Tour of Vorsteiner

Greetings all!

Recently, I had the pleasure of visiting Vorsteiner at their new location in Southern California. They have finally completed their move into a much larger facility, allowing them to increase manufacturing and inventory capacity.

I've visited Vorsteiner a number of times. This time, however, I brought my camera with me. I thought it would be cool to share the photos I took. I will do my best to explain what is going on in each photo, to the best of my understanding.


Table of Contents
I. Front Office
II. GTRS3 In the Flesh
III. Warehouse & Product Detail
IV. Factory


I. Front Office
As you would expect of a company full of perfectionists, Vorsteiner's front office is beautiful and tastefully laid out.


*The view from outside, after our all-day meeting

My photos of the conference room & lunch room were no good because my meeting notes were all over the tables
But, the office is super nice with couches and stuff for meetings. Take my word for it!


II. GTRS3 In The Flesh
Getting picked up at the airport in a 15 foot wide supercharged M3 was pretty awesome. I've ridden around in Lamborghinis and Ferraris, but never had so many people stare at me before… I know you've all seen the press images of this car, but I wanted to grab some more quick shots before it is gone forever (to Saudi Arabia)


*We almost sat and had lunch on the fenders of the GTRS3. There was room for the entire staff.


*Nice butt.


*Why so angry?


*Corny, but I wanted to pose with this beast, haha…

III. Warehouse & Product Detail
It's no secret that lead times have been a big problem with Vorsteiner over the last year. Their old facility just didn't have enough room to swing a dead cat, much less more than a few hoods at once. Thus I was very pleased to see that production has ramped up - a lot. So much, so, that they have almost half of their back-office real estate cordoned off as a warehouse, complete with pallet racks full of beautiful goodies. I figured nobody really wants to see orange racks with big balls of bubble wrap (That's about all you can make out), but fortunately some of the warehouse workers were kind enough to unwrap a bunch of parts for me to photograph.


*This is a GTS3 Front Bumper, for the E92 M3. This part is 100% Pre-Preg Carbon Fiber, made in the Autoclave. It is UV gloss-coated and ready to ship (or at least it was, before I made them take all the bubble wrap off… sorry dudes)


*Close up of that same bumper… beautiful weave and glossy finish


*DVWP Parts are made in a similar fashion, using the autoclave. These DVWP parts come primed and ready to paint. No prep work necessary. This cuts down on installation costs… A lot!


*There's that same bumper (E46 M3 V-CSL) from further back


*E92 M3 GTS3 Front Bumper, this time in DVWP, made in the Auto-Clave. In person, it's baby's-butt smooth and looks like an OEM piece.


*Same part, from further back


*Close-up of Vorsteiner's Pre-Preg, Auto-Clave produced bootlid for the E92 in their new Matte Finish.


*Above bootlid, further back


*Again, same bootlid, even further back


*Pre-Preg, Autoclave made E92 M3 Diffuser, Type 2. Vorsteiner has made two improvement on the tabs that allow the OEM plastic grommets to sit perfectly.


*M6 Decklid spoiler in Gloss Carbon. The final production piece look like OEM without an opening at the bottom like the OE BMW Part. It's hollow, but you can't flex or bend it like the OEM ones.


*Same Spoiler, just Matte Carbon. Words can't describe how perfect the quality is on these pieces


*Me, holding up a V104 19" in Textured Gunmetal finish. The 19" wheels weigh around 19.5lbs depending on width.


*Close-up of an M3 front spoiler. You guys have all seen this.


*What's this? 4x4 weave on the inside of a bootlid, of course. Just a proof of concept.


*Wow, is it really that light?


*Here, I'm actually holding it up with 1 finger. (Don't be impressed though. It doesn't even weigh 7 pounds.)


*Some Vorsteiner floor matts


*Nice embroidery on a floor matt


*Some more nice embroidery, this time on a trunk matt


*Full package for an E92 M3, getting ready to ship to a lucky customer


*Another angle


*Another angle


*I really like how the pre-preg Matte finish looks, it accentuates the beautiful lines and reminds me of a Reventón.


*Vorsteiner's new authenticity cards. They were due for a refresh.

IV. Factory
Vorsteiner is secretive about their production process - for good reason. It is this production process that makes their parts superior quality, strength, fitment, and weight. Nonetheless, here is an overview.


*This is a Porsche Panamera turbo. The front is covered with a "Splash Mould" - a temporary mould used to make the first part. Vorsteiner modifies the OEM bumper heavily in order to make this mould, then makes the permanent mould out of a perfect Vorsteiner bumper (that's what the splash mould is for). It's a time and labor intensive process, but it's worth it. This car has to sit at Vorsteiner for weeks on end.


*This is a NoMex Honeycomb sandwich core. It sounds like a delicious dessert, but in reality, it is a high-tech material used in aerospace and formula 1 racing. NoMex makes the components extremely rigid, while maintaining incredibly light weight. It's also UNBELIEVABLY expensive. Vorsteiner uses NoMex Honeycomb in a number of their products including hoods and rear wings to maximize structural rigidity.


*This is what pre-preg carbon fiber looks like in it's raw form. Pre-preg carbon is impregnated with the resin so there is no brushing of epoxy required. *This process prevents the weave from getting stretched or condensed and prevents excess resin from ruining the end product. This has drastically reduced rejection rates, significantly improving delivery times.


*This is raw uni-directional carbon fiber used in certain areas of their parts where extra strength is required.. If you thought normal carbon fiber was expensive - think again. Uni-directional carbon fiber is far and away one of the lightest carbon fiber materials on the market, aside from nanocarbon.


*Pallet of raw materials awaiting use in production. Miscellaneous vacuum bags and sealer fabric.


*This is the top portion of a bootlid, inside of a vacuum bag, being loaded into an autoclave. The hose there is sucking out all of the air, creating pressure on the pre-preg carbon fiber sheet, and forcing excess resin to the periphery. The fuzzy white stuff on the right hand side is called breather-fabric used in the auto clave process.


*Here's a bootlid a little further along in the process, ready to come out of the autoclave (which is why we're able to take pictures of it… I'm not fireproof, sorry guys). The vacuum hoses have been removed, but you can still see the 4 hoses on the bottom. They're not connected to the bootlid itself, they're connected to the under-tray. These don't vacuum air out; they pump nitrogen in. The autoclave must be further pressurized during the extreme heating process (which cures the resin already present in the fiber), and using nitrogen prevents combustion. It's a safety thing.


*This is the top half of an X6M hood, waiting for vacuum bagging. The top half is made independently from the bottom half, and they are fused together later. This is similar to how the McLaren F1's body was made in many pieces and fused together later in the process.


*Here you can see how perfectly the weave is laid in the mould for the X6M hood. This is a painstaking process, because if they screw up the weave, that piece of ultra-expensive carbon fiber is ruined. They have to use it for inner-pieces of another part, because cosmetically it's damaged. (Vorsteiner is really serious about eco-friendliness, and they don't waste if they can avoid it).


*Inside of a hollow GTRS3 widebody skirt being reinforced with carbon fiber


*Carbon fiber reinforcement inside of a side skirt (again)


*The inside of a Porsche wing spoiler… note the perfect weave again


*Further back. This is half of the spoiler, the other half will be fused on later.


*This is how parts look when they come out of the mould. Still a lot of finishing to be done before they're perfect. This specific part is a helmet for famous pro-skater Bucky Lasek.


*The inside of Bucky's helmet is Kevlar which is much more flexible and pliable than Carbon Fiber. *Reinforcing with Kevlar protects Bucky, in the same way a Kevlar vest protects police officers.


*The thing about Kevlar is, it's really hard to use. It doesn't like to bond or adhere to anything, even carbon fiber. For this reason, in automotive, where you aren't directly protecting a human body inches away, they usually use carbon kevlar. This is 50% carbon, which allows the composite to laminate and adhere easier, and 50% Kevlar, which gives you some of the benefits of Kevlar.


*It also looks sweet, like a bumblebee

OK, back on topic..


*Parts coming out of the mould, need finishing


*At this stage in the game, some parts are rejected. I actually couldn't figure out what was wrong with this part, but Vorsteiner's quality control people showed me. The weave is bunched. Sometimes, if this happens to a hood, Vorsteiner will primer the carbon fiber and offer it at the DVWP price to a customer who wants light weight but doesn't want to see carbon fiber. In the case of a diffuser, where everyone wants carbon fiber, the part is destroyed. Their motto is, after all, "Perfection Does Not Compromise"...


*This is the grinding room, with an E46 M3 Cabriolet bootlid that has just come out of the mould and had the vacuum bags removed. They have done their job: all of the excess resin has been forced away from the part. Now, all that has to be done to remove it is some simple grinding.


*Another thing that happens in the grinding room is cutting and grinding the holes necessary for your car. This M3 hood, for example, needs the holes cut for the OEM hood vents, as well as the holes for the slats of the aftermarket vents. That happens during grinding. It is done painstakingly by hand.


*Once grinding is complete, the parts head into the paint booth. There, they get either a glossy or a matte clear coat, which makes them look better and protects them from UV rays.


*This hood got the matte treatment


*Sorry, I still can't get enough of that Matte. (I had it on my 335i and loved it)



So, that's pretty much the tour.
Sorry if some of the photos weren't ideal. I was getting pretty light-headed from all the resin fumes (their workers wear masks, of course).

Hope you guys enjoyed viewing the photos as much as I enjoyed taking them.

I want to give a special shout out to the entire Vorsteiner team for shutting down on a Wednesday to meet with me all day, answering all my stupid questions, and allowing me the opportunity to share their incredible operation with our customers on the forums.

Thanks for tuning in!
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      02-02-2011, 06:45 PM   #2
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awesome!!!!
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      02-02-2011, 07:24 PM   #3
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That M3 is..
Those rims are..
Unbeleivable..

The owner lives in SA?
This is an awesome thread great tour and even better pics thanks so much man!
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What I want to see is their wheel making process....and answers to the questions I have had over the last 1.5 years as to why my Vorsteiner wheels are flaking and don't fit properly yet are CUSTOM wheels specifically for the 135i..........yeah I said it cause I am pissed about it still......
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Really do love the vibe Vorsteiner give off. I just wished they'd give the 1 series a bit more attention and my life would be complete !
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Yes.... Imagine price of that incredible stuff...
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What I want to see is their wheel making process....and answers to the questions I have had over the last 1.5 years as to why my Vorsteiner wheels are flaking and don't fit properly yet are CUSTOM wheels specifically for the 135i..........yeah I said it cause I am pissed about it still......
Hrm, that's not right! Must have been a problem during production. We've had it happen only once before, and Vorsteiner took care of it. Contact us or your retailer and we'll make it right somehow.

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Yes.... Imagine price of that incredible stuff...
Surprisingly it's pretty reasonable, especially if you go with single sided carbon fiber. I don't think $1350 for a carbon fiber hood with that kind of technology is expensive, but, expensive is a relative/subjective term I guess.

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That M3 is awesome. Were there any mods or custom work inside?

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Hrm, that's not right! Must have been a problem during production. We've had it happen only once before, and Vorsteiner took care of it. Contact us or your retailer and we'll make it right somehow.
John,

It was never taken care of and this was 1+years trying to get resolution....I talked on the phone/emailed(Nick and yourself) many times to hear that 'Vorsteiner' was contacted and we would hear back from them. Even sent the wheels back once because of incorrect center caps. Offsets def. were not within tolerance (why do you have to roll fenders with custom offsets??? They are supposed to specific to the 1er...trust me it was waaay off) and paint is flaking. Anyway I am in Iraq now so I have chalked it up as a lesson learned and vowed to NOT pay 5k+ for wheels ever again...because I could have saved LOTS of money and had less heartache with another cheaper set (BUT THEY LOOK SOOO GOOD....SIGH)

MY CF Hood is simply amazing and I could not be more pleased with the result and workmanship of the part I love Vorsteiners designs but I am a bit leery about the quality of their products outside of the CF realm due to my experience....
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Wonderful products. I just wonder if they will be the first CF hood and trunk maker to address the weaker struts needed to work with them?
Good point!
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wow. that is the sickest e92 front end i have ever seen. fucking awesome.
rear is a little too wide for my taste reminds of the new BENZ S series but the front is just insane. good work
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So about the spelling of Vörsteiner, is it a made up name? Its spelling makes no sense Germanically speaking.

Wonderful products. I just wonder if they will be the first CF hood and trunk maker to address the weaker struts needed to work with them?
Tough. They're in the business of making carbon fiber composites - not shocks

I'll pitch it to them, though, as it's a good idea and compliments the "OEM look and feel" they have achieved with their parts.

I generally just put 1 shock on for the trunk/bootlid, works fine.
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i want thiss!!! bahhhhhhh!! no money no fun !!!!!
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Nice...no reply JLevi...Deja vu
I asked for an email with your order number, you replied to the effect that it was never fixed, you're abroad, whatever, you don't want to pursue it...

If you do, email me personally (jon at jlevisw dot com) - if not, I'm very sorry.

Vorsteiner doesn't leave customers hanging like that, but we must have dropped the ball, and I apologize for that. Give us another try and we'll make it right.

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I stand corrected sir....I didnt see the Contact us or our retailer portion of the thread.....
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Thank you guys for the kind words I'm so glad you all enjoyed the pics!!
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Yeah. Vorsteiner is reinforcing the hoods with uni-directional CF so that's not a concern but I explained to them that it would be nice especially for bootlids.
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I'm actually really surprised nobody has asked what the Meguiar's vinyl wrap was like in person.... It was really awesome. I decided after seeing that, I'll never have another car painted
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If you wanted better pics, check Eurotuner, same car as I rode in

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