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06-02-2011, 10:52 PM | #23 |
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dont get me wrong, but the rs3 pretty much won everything on that list aside from weight distribution, and ok i know we are comparing them as "track" cars but seriously who buys these cars souly to use them as track cars? I do love the 1m and have seen the focus rs before and its pretty amazing, i just dont understand if the rs3 is better in pretty much all aspects so i dont see why it made second place and not first. anyways my own opinion
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Following a few weeks with my 1 M I can only confirm this test.
The 1 M is perfect for a sports car.....unlike the Audi. Its biggest problems are the weight and the tires. What does traction by quattro bring a car, if the chassis basis is a "FWD everyday car used by mamas to do their shopping". This car is a joke. No individuality, and as the tester says "the right feeling doesn't come up". Audi has no tradition in building real sports cars, unlike BMW has. Audi will never be able to build a real sports car. Same as with the R8. What the F... does this car offer more than just pure safetiness. It's nothing for hardcore fans....Real sports car fans drive RWD cars that behave like RWD cars and not AWD. BMW is not only the winner, BMW tops anything. It's just Sheer Driving Pleasure. |
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i ordered RS3 cos i do drag racing & thats where i'll kill 1M, while he'll be trying to get off the line its bye bye baby |
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Wow... The 1M Must Be a blast... I think its the First Time a BMW Beat a VAG Car at a AutoBild Test
255 Front and 225 rear is just wrong...
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I hate when people bring up price figure and thinks if you paid more, you better be "faster". There is more to a vehicle than price. For example, magazine comparisons do use price as one of the factors to determine whether the car is worth it or not. However, there are 30 more other factors that justify a vehicle. Being faster is not the only thing. For the more money you pay, you get a car that is more reliable, designed to outperform other competitions, get connected with the road with unmatched steering wheel, premium image, list goes on. If I just wanted inexpensive fast car or at least easy/cheap to make it fast and perform, I would've bought an Evo or STi. My top two cars in its market segment . But I wanted much more than just fast.
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No but seriously, it seems like a slap-on solution to a front heavy under-steering problem. |
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All in the eye of the beholder. I think it looks fantastic. Hence, why I bought a brand new just before production stopped (now with 400 bhp and zero wheelspin, apart from 1st gear where it struggles).
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Back to the comparison: I personally think it's kinda incredible that a FWD Focus does so well against a BMW M and an Audi RS. Then dump price into the mix and the Focus RS really shines. Make no mistake, though. I would really like a 1M some day. No doubt about it.
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For me I think the track times show there is almost no difference between the 1M and RS3, however, despite being the heaviest the RS3 is the quickest in a straight line on all tests and most economical. 0-60mph in 4.2s! I wonder do they use a rollout? I don't think so because the 1M "only" achieved 4.8s
I'd still take the 1M because I don't really like the A3 sportback design. I only like the A3 in 3dr form.
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LOL did you see the numbers?
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Yes, the 1M won out, but there is one weakness in almost every M review.
BMW is never the fastest in its class in a straight line. I refuse to accept that somehow an M-car HAS to be slower to achieve good handling. That assumption is complete misnomer. No wonder BMW has such a humongous tuning and aftermarket cottage industry. They're never the best on ALL points off-the-lot.
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Ever heard of the multiple Le Mans winning R8 and R12? Perhaps I should go back and count the driven wheels. Have you driven an R8 GT? Me either, I guess we should defer judgment to those who have...
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But okay, even in the 100-200 kph sprint the RS3 showed a 0.2 sec advantage (13 vs 12.8). Again, maybe that DSG box helps the (boring) Audi a little...
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I think the LeMans Audi is R8 (gas) and R10 (diesel). The R12 is still concept isn't it? |
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