ECS GTI flairs - widebody?

[ETADRAFT]

With all the talk of widebody 135's I came across these flairs on ECS tuning website. Would love to see if these lineup. Would be an interesting example of a rivet style for $800... Or maybe if we ask nice we could have ECS make some of these specifically for our cars. Would love to be able to fit some wide rubber for the racetrack


http://www.ecstuning.com/News/VW_MKV...009/ES2808526/

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by ETADRAFT

With all the talk of widebody 135's I came across these flairs on ECS tuning website. Would love to see if these lineup. Would be an interesting example of a rivet style for $800... Or maybe if we ask nice we could have ECS make some of these specifically for our cars. Would love to be able to fit some wide rubber for the racetrack


http://www.ecstuning.com/News/VW_MKV...009/ES2808526/

Those flairs are overly exaggerated and would not be ideal for the track.

Something more inline with the HardMotorsports e36 kit would be best.

http://www.hardmotorsport.com/hard-m...res-e36-coupe/

[Ginger_Extract]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

Those flairs are overly exaggerated and would not be ideal for the track.

Something more inline with the HardMotorsports e36 kit would be best.

http://www.hardmotorsport.com/hard-m...res-e36-coupe/

This is what I had in mind, but no one has stepped up the plate yet.

[ECSTuning]

We haven't thought about doing E82 flares... yet. If there is a demand we can look into it. As for retrofitting our GTI flares to an E82, they are molded to the contours and body lines of the 2 door GTI so I don't suggest cutting, re gelling, etc unless you are very proficient in carbon/fiberglass work.

-James

[ETADRAFT]

ECS - put me down for a set. No more that 2" per side though.
ilikebmxbikes - those look interesting too but an e36 is a bit boxier. at $400 its a bit more tempting to try.

For a street / trackday car i don't want to spend a fortune but a few more inches of rubber would make a world of difference in the corners

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by ETADRAFT

ECS - put me down for a set. No more that 2" per side though.
ilikebmxbikes - those look interesting too but an e36 is a bit boxier. at $400 its a bit more tempting to try.

For a street / trackday car i don't want to spend a fortune but a few more inches of rubber would make a world of difference in the corners

im not saying put those exact e36 fenders on. I am saying someone needs to make a clean subtle set like those for e82's.

A narrow body e82's problem is they understeer with our wheel offsets. The ability to run a wider front tire to have a square set up will benefit you the most.

What other suspension mods do you have?

[ETADRAFT]

Yea that would be ideal. i'm surprised no one has done it yet

My suspension is a KW clubsport kit with camber plates and M3 arms. I also have whiteline inserts in the rear. I run a 17x8.5 square setup now but it needs just a little bit more. Car holds it own mostly but push in the corners and being heavy are its drawbacks for sure.

Its been a slow development for my car balancing Daily drive / Trackability / budget. Spend too much on parts and i cant afford to track haha. But now i'm faced with decisions, i have some stoptechs to go on and i have to go 18" but might as well buy a wide set of 18s and "make" them fit rather than buy another set of wheels down the road. So here i am researching...

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by ETADRAFT

Yea that would be ideal. i'm surprised no one has done it yet

My suspension is a KW clubsport kit with camber plates and M3 arms. I also have whiteline inserts in the rear. I run a 17x8.5 square setup now but it needs just a little bit more. Car holds it own mostly but push in the corners and being heavy are its drawbacks for sure.

Its been a slow development for my car balancing Daily drive / Trackability / budget. Spend too much on parts and i cant afford to track haha. But now i'm faced with decisions, i have some stoptechs to go on and i have to go 18" but might as well buy a wide set of 18s and "make" them fit rather than buy another set of wheels down the road. So here i am researching...

You can always just do the front fenders. These are subtle and you should be able to fit a 9-9.5 in the front.

http://n5tuner.com/index.php?main_pa...4#.Vabeee1VhBc

[ShocknAwe]

Very impressed with what little I've seen of the N5tuner stuff so far.

[Ginger_Extract]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

You can always just do the front fenders. These are subtle and you should be able to fit a 9-9.5 in the front.

http://n5tuner.com/index.php?main_pa...4#.Vabeee1VhBc

The problem is the bumper. With my aggressive track setup, I rub against the front cover and support, not the fender. Cutting and flaring the fender and bumper is the way to go.

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by Ginger_Extract

The problem is the bumper. With my aggressive track setup, I rub against the front cover and support, not the fender. Cutting and flaring the fender and bumper is the way to go.

If you are rubbing against your liners at lock, you need to remove your liners or install some steering rack limiters. If you went with super wide fenders like the ECS GTI and went even wider wheels, you would only rub even worse in those areas.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by Ginger_Extract

The problem is the bumper. With my aggressive track setup, I rub against the front cover and support, not the fender. Cutting and flaring the fender and bumper is the way to go.

Gotta pull the liner forward.

[Ginger_Extract]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Gotta pull the liner forward.

Nowhere to go, already ground down the bumper-fender mounting tab. Under steep compression, the tire blows the bumper cover out.

[Ginger_Extract]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

If you are rubbing against your liners at lock, you need to remove your liners or install some steering rack limiters. If you went with super wide fenders like the ECS GTI and went even wider wheels, you would only rub even worse in those areas.

I rub with the steering wheel completely straight on, under steep compression.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by Ginger_Extract

Nowhere to go, already ground down the bumper-fender mounting tab. Under steep compression, the tire blows the bumper cover out.

Ouch. And that's a spot that really isn't helped with more camber.

Well, it was mentioned that N5Tuner may do a front overfender. Maybe that'll be a solution for you. Otherwise, 1M front clip.

[RedRanger]

I would be interested in a set of e82 widebody flairs. The GTI ones looks way to exaggerated for our cars. Really not a fan of rivets either. If something was created in the 2-4 inch flair range with the ability to have it 3M taped to the body for around 400 dollars I would take a chance. Would give a completely different look to our cars.

[Zombie1]

Originally Posted by ECSTuning

We haven't thought about doing E82 flares... yet. If there is a demand we can look into it. As for retrofitting our GTI flares to an E82, they are molded to the contours and body lines of the 2 door GTI so I don't suggest cutting, re gelling, etc unless you are very proficient in carbon/fiberglass work.

-James

The demand is there... Build it and we will buy!

[ETADRAFT]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

You can always just do the front fenders. These are subtle and you should be able to fit a 9-9.5 in the front.

http://n5tuner.com/index.php?main_pa...4#.Vabeee1VhBc

I like the look of these but its only 15mm (.59") I don't think that's wide enough. I pulled & rolled the sh*t out of my fenders already and i think i gained close to that.

I guess all the rubbing issues mentioned would be the reason a basic flair wont work and to go to the ER wide front end. that's 2.5" per side! but a lot more work and $$

fender roll pic:http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k...T/IMG_2438.jpg

[Ginger_Extract]

Originally Posted by ETADRAFT

I like the look of these but its only 15mm (.59") I don't think that's wide enough. I pulled & rolled the sh*t out of my fenders already and i think i gained close to that.

I guess all the rubbing issues mentioned would be the reason a basic flair wont work and to go to the ER wide front end. that's 2.5" per side! but a lot more work and $$

fender roll pic:http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k...T/IMG_2438.jpg

Man you killed those fenders. I also see that you have the same issue as me, with the bumper cover beginning to blow out from the fender mounting points. The bumper cover gets progressively more narrow as it goes down, and the tire just punches it out.

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by ETADRAFT

I like the look of these but its only 15mm (.59") I don't think that's wide enough. I pulled & rolled the sh*t out of my fenders already and i think i gained close to that.

I guess all the rubbing issues mentioned would be the reason a basic flair wont work and to go to the ER wide front end. that's 2.5" per side! but a lot more work and $$

fender roll pic:http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k...T/IMG_2438.jpg

I believe the n5 tuner ones also have a larger wheel well. Which gives you more clearance as well.

How large of front tires are you guys looking to run? I used to have an er widebody front end with 9.5 front on 255/35/18 before going full 1m
Conversion and it was pretty good. I had to cut and extend the wheel liners but for the most part worked.

[ETADRAFT]

Originally Posted by Ginger_Extract

Man you killed those fenders. I also see that you have the same issue as me, with the bumper cover beginning to blow out from the fender mounting points. The bumper cover gets progressively more narrow as it goes down, and the tire just punches it out.

Haha i know. I got fed up waiting for my camber plates and i had a track day scheduled so thats how i got 245/45/17s fit. It actually doesn't look to bad from a regular angle.

I'd like to fit 18x9.5 and run a square setup. I need to look more into the offsets though.

I'd imagine this is where the 18's would be an issue with a wider offset guessing the ER kit cures this by being wider through the bumper area
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http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k...T/IMG_2440.jpg

[Ginger_Extract]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

I believe the n5 tuner ones also have a larger wheel well. Which gives you more clearance as well.

How large of front tires are you guys looking to run? I used to have an er widebody front end with 9.5 front on 255/35/18 before going full 1m
Conversion and it was pretty good. I had to cut and extend the wheel liners but for the most part worked.

I currently use 17x9 with a 255/40. I run a very aggressive setup.