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      07-08-2005, 11:09 PM   #1
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Aftermarket deck?

Can an aftermarket deck be easily installed in the E90?
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      07-09-2005, 04:50 AM   #2
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Yes, but not easily. If you have Logic 7 your out of luck unless you replace the whole system (including speakers and amps). The reason is, it´s all digital bus between the components. Adaptors/connectors would be quite difficult to build so they´ll at least take quite a while to become availble.

If you have the regular system, it´s feasible but mounting brackes for the deck and electircal adaptors are still a bit hard to come by. The first ones are only now becoming available in europe. (They´re in the catlogues but don´t get delivered yet, I have one on backorder)
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      07-09-2005, 04:53 AM   #3
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Even the non Idrive radio talks the the other computer busses on the car, so I dont know how one would fit a aftermarket deck

If you got Idrive there is a complete fibre optic network running through the car for that system ( thats why you cant fit a aftermarket cd changer with it ) .
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      07-09-2005, 05:01 AM   #4
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There´s several buses in the car. The Radio (all radios) get vehicle informations such as speed, reverse, ignition etc. through the can-bus.

Adaptors / connectors for the Can bus are availble that can be used to generate those signals for an aftermarket deck (even BMW sells them through their parts department in Europe).

For all entertainment then there´s the M-Bus. Thats what the Radio talks to the Logic 7 and the changer on. If you rip out the radio you simply loose that bus, but if you don´t have Logic7 or a BMW changer you don´t need it. The stock speaker setup though can still be driven by an aftermarket deck. It´s still a regular speaker set powered by the amps in the Radio.

With i-drive, there´s no way to replace with an aftermarket deck. The car would go into fits with the CCC missing. Besides, you´d have the hump and a dead monitor.
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      07-09-2005, 05:07 AM   #5
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The USA has the professional radio (RAD2) standard, that also connects to the MOST bus, just like the CCC and also to the K-CAN, again like the CCC
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      07-09-2005, 05:12 AM   #6
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The USA has the professional radio (RAD2) standard, that also connects to the MOST bus, just like the CCC and also to the K-CAN, again like the CCC
Yes, I know. And if you pull the deck, you´ll loose the ability to read and program certain functions of the on-board computer through the deck. But they´re redundant. They can also be accessed through the instrument cluster. The car will run fine without the Professional radio. Btw with the Prof Radio you get the M-Bus, but without changer, Logic 7 or bluetooth, it´s the only M-Bus device and therefore pretty loneley.

The Can-Bus will not be disturbed by removing the member "Radio". Worst case, the car will log an error due to it lacking.

Oh yeah, and good point. If you have bluetooth, removing the radio means no more phone as well.

The radio is master for the m-bus (wich you don´t need if ou have no other M(Most)-Bus devices and only a member on the Can-Bus (K-CAN), so you can do without.

On for completeness sake, the third bus is engine and chassis-related and I forgot the name.... But the Radio at least is not part of that bus..
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      07-09-2005, 05:19 AM   #7
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Yes, so we have to say

You cannot do it if you have Navigation

AND

If you dont have navigation and do it you loose
1)BMW Cd Changer
2)BMW Bluetooth
3)BMW Sirius Digital radio (USA Only)
4)Some OBC functions
5)Logic 7


And you have to potential for the dealers system to get confused when it uploads new software on the car because it cannot find the radio system to load new software
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      07-09-2005, 05:21 AM   #8
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Agree

So the Car-Hifi-aftermarket just got even smaller.

I´m going for it anyway. I ordered my 330 without even the Professional Radio (so no M-Bus at all) and will be installing an excellent aftermarket deck with Navigation. Reason: I really need Nav but I can´t stand I-Drive
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      07-09-2005, 05:23 AM   #9
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On for completeness sake, the third bus is engine and chassis-related and I forgot the name.... But the Radio at least is not part of that bus..
The main busses are K-CAN, PT-CAN, MOST, F-CAN

with sub busses LIN-Bus, BSD, K-Bus and K-Bus(protocol)
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      07-09-2005, 05:24 AM   #10
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The main busses are K-CAN, PT-CAN, MOST, F-CAN

with sub busses LIN-Bus, BSD, K-Bus and K-Bus(protocol)
So many Busses. Maybe we should consider taking the train
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Quote:
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So many Busses. Maybe we should consider taking the train
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      07-09-2005, 06:49 AM   #12
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Bad news:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...0416#post20416

Seems in the US, even the most stock setup is the middle-range Hifi-System with external amps and therefore M-Bus.

So you can´t connect an aftermarket deck to the stock speaker / amp setup.

So unless you´re going to rip your car apart and replace all entertainment components, on the US E90, a aftermarket deck is a no-go.
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      07-09-2005, 09:16 AM   #13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tierfreund
Bad news:

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...0416#post20416

Seems in the US, even the most stock setup is the middle-range Hifi-System with external amps and therefore M-Bus.

So you can´t connect an aftermarket deck to the stock speaker / amp setup.

So unless you´re going to rip your car apart and replace all entertainment components, on the US E90, a aftermarket deck is a no-go.
Hi-Fi doesnt use MOST bus to connect to its amp, only the Top Hi-fi ( Logic 7 ) does
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      07-09-2005, 11:44 AM   #14
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Thanks so much for this info E90Fleet and Tierfreund. You guys are very knowledgable on this subject. I can just imagine asking a salesman about a bus....
It's quite ironic that you guys are the experts on this and that you're both from the countries that actually make the E90s.

Thanks again!
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      07-09-2005, 01:12 PM   #15
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Quote:
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Hi-Fi doesnt use MOST bus to connect to its amp, only the Top Hi-fi ( Logic 7 ) does
Youre right again. I really should check my facts more thorougly before posting.
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      07-09-2005, 02:58 PM   #16
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iam so confused
what the hell is a buss?
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      07-09-2005, 03:01 PM   #17
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yup fiber optic sucks in u are into aftermarket stereos , i ask my friend who owns a sound shop, it can be done if u dont have i drive , but whole car c\has to be ripped apart any questions go to www.soundfxny.com
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      07-09-2005, 03:01 PM   #18
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Quote:
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iam so confused
what the hell is a buss?
Just think of it as a little computer network
The E90 has a couple of them
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Even dumber question...what the hell is a deck?
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Even dumber question...what the hell is a deck?
The radio head unit is know as a deck in many countries
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      07-09-2005, 07:21 PM   #21
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Ahhh...thanks e90fleet !

For a second, i thought it was an EQ unit add on !! (every cab driver in egypt gets one of those !!)
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yah thanks e90fleet.
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